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can anyone help with discovering which woman robert brown married in 1853?
I have a robert brown with wife caroline in 1881 , in spotland bacup, lancashire. on the 1871 and 1861 they are in Norfolk, heigham parish . I have found two possible weddings, one in 1853 to caroline parnell, which is most likely due to their children being born in st martin of the oak . Then i have also found a marriage to a caroline read in 1853, south bevilingham norfolk.
They had a lot of children, the first one being ellenor in 1853 ish and lastly jessie brown in 1878.
I am favouring the parnell wedding. I think also that caroline's dad was John , someone posted an 1851 census for st martin of the oak parish with caroline born 1834, making her 17 then and unmarried. :-S
shirley

Just for reference is this the family in 1881? :-

1881 census transcription details for: 3, Lower Rockliffe, Spotland

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4121
Folio: 83
Page: 9
Reg. District: Rochdale
Sub District: Whitworth
Parish: Spotland
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 3, Lower Rockliffe, Spotland
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

BROWN, Robert Head Married M 51 1830 Cord Wainer
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Caroline Wife Married F 46 1835 House Keeper
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Francis Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1863 Cotton Spinner
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Thomas Son Single M 17 1864 Cotton Creeler
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Joshua Son Single M 15 1866 Cotton Creeler
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Betsy Emily Daughter Single F 13 1868 Cotton Spinner
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Ann Hannah Daughter Single F 11 1870 Cotton Spinner
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Alice Mary Ann Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Walter George Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Norwich, Norfolk
BROWN, Jessie Son Single M 4 1877
Norwich, Norfolk
HASLING, Thomas Lodger Single M 21 1860 Railway Stoker
Bury, Lancashire

Kath. x

Shirley, you can't guess - you'll need to buy a certificate to be sure. One of the children's birth certificates to show mother's maiden name.

Whereabouts did someone post that census?

This looks like the daughter's (on the 1861 census) birth reference:-

Name: BROWN, Caroline
Registration district: Norwich
County: Norfolk
Year of registration: 1860
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 4B
Page no: 93

The certificate should name the mother. The Parnell marriage looks good to me but you need the birth certificate of a child to be sure.

Kath. x

Thanks for that. Im helping someone out, so wouldnt tell them my guess, would tell them to get a certificate to be sure like you advised. They may even have jessie browns birth certificate somewhere in their paper work. they have been hearing a family story that this caroline was a flemish gypsy, not sounding like it with the name parnell or even Read to be honest. Still wondering why they would move from norfolk to bacup. Mind you, if they were shoemakers i suppose rossendale would be the ideal place to come.
thanks again for your replies
shirley :-)

Name: Robert Browne

Spouse's Name: Caroline Parnell

Event Date: 16 Oct 1853
Event Place: St. Martin At Oak Church, Norwich, Norfolk, England


Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03327-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1526322

1841
Name: Caroline Parnell
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil parish: St Martin At Oak
Hundred: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: Coslany
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 789
Book: 9
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Parnell 45 >>> silk weaver
Mary Parnell 42
William Parnell 22
Benjamin Parnell 20
Mary Parnell 17
John Parnell 15
Charlotte Parnell 10
Caroline Parnell 5

Name: Robert Browne
Birth Date: 1832
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Caroline Parnell
Spouse's Birth Date: 1833
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 14 Nov 1853
Event Place: St. Martin At Oak Church, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Robert Browne
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Parnell
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03327-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1526322
Reference ID: 91

Name: Robert Philip Browne
Birth Date: 1832
Birthplace:
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Caroline Read
Spouse's Birth Date: 1833
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 24 Dec 1853
Event Place: South Bevilingham, Norfolk, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07378-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1595926
Reference ID: Item 2


1881
Caroline Brown
[Caroline Read]
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Mother's name: Harriet Read
Gender: Female
Where born: S Burlingham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Gorleston
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: Pier Road
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: No Occupation

Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Gorleston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1907
Folio: 67
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Brown 46
Harriet Read 68
Lucy A. Brown 21
Helen Brown 19
Margaret C. Brown 16
Elizabeth Secreth 18

thanks vicki, so its a definate for caroline parnell, thankyou
shirley