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Doreen J A Toye

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KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 21:08

Doreen was my aunt. She married John Hamilton Stacey 11 January 1947 in Southend, Essex.

I believe she was adopted - possibly a war orphan?? - by the Elmets (sp?) at 51 Walker Drive, Southend on Sea. Does anyone have access to any records that would (dis)prove this please? I've not been involved with adoption records before.

It would be most helpful if birth date was available as well as parents.

Many thanks

Keith

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2013 21:12

She married with the name Toye. Surely if she was adopted by the "Elmets" she would have married using that name?

Kath. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Mar 2013 21:29

Her middle initials, according to the marriage record, were J A.
These are all the Doreen J A's born in England (per FreeBMD) between 1880 and 1929 .


Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
McKay Doreen J A McKay Medway 2a 1460
Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Haynes Doreen J A Challenger Neath 11a 1763
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Green Doreen J A De_jardins Southampton 2c 7
Higgins Doreen J A Landy W.Ham 4a 584
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Smith Doreen J A Jeffery Devonport 5b 502
Toitz Doreen J A Adkin Hackney 1b 975
Tye Doreen J A Bedford Wandsworth 1d 953
Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Griffiths Doreen J A Seabury Atcham 6a 1042
Births Dec 1923 (>99%)
Jones Doreen J A Dyble Edmonton 3a 856
Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
Stanton Doreen J A Luker Hammersmith 1a 310
Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
Card Doreen J A Cooke Camberwell 1d 1098
Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Cotton Doreen J A Moran Manchester S. 8d 18
Moody Doreen J A Pearce Eton 3a 1522
Births Mar 1929 (>99%)
Ellis Doreen J A Mills Steyning 2b 349


There's a Tye and a Toitz , but no Toye or Elmet

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Mar 2013 21:34

If she was your aunt then I assume her mother was your grandmother. Is that the case?

Kath. x

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 31 Mar 2013 21:45

How old was she when she married ?

Was there a father named on the cert ?

Witnessess ?

Was she a spinster or widow etc

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 21:53



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006

Name: Doreen Joyce A Stacey
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1921
Date of Registration: Apr 1998
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Hastings and Rother
Inferred County: East Sussex
Register Number: C64A
District and Subdistrict: 4561C
Entry number: 35


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006

Name: Doreen Joyce A Hamilton-stacey
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1921
Date of Registration: Apr 1998
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Hastings and Rother
Inferred County: East Sussex
Register Number: C64A
District and Subdistrict: 4561C
Entry number: 35


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Mar 2013 21:54

She doesn't seem to have been a widow.
Again according to FreeBMD, there's no marriage between a Toye and a Doreen anywhere, at any time between 1837 and 1946

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Mar 2013 21:59

If birth was 1921, that narrows it down to two from the list above, assuming she was born in England, but either may still be alive.

Or maybe the one born in West Ham in 1920.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 22:20

If you check out Freebmd..........you will see they had a son.

All 3 appear on an incoming passenger list from Calabar Nigeria which i will send to you by PM.

Doreen Joyce Audrey is age 32 in 1953.

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 22:36

Thank you all for very fast replies!!

Kath: until recently I had assumed that she did in fact marry using Elmet, but I've recently been given some family papers which gave her name as Toye, and the other records Including the marriage were in the name of Toye. So maybe she was "unofficially" adopted? Maybe just "staying with" as she would have been 24 at the time of her marriage.
Also her mother was not my grandmother, her husband's parents were my grandparents, my mother was his sister.

GlitterBaby: I don't know her age at marriage, that was what I was hoping to find out.
I don't have a copy of the cert.
I had assumed she was a spinster but don't know this. Could conceivably have been a war widow?

Choccy: those death records are spot on, thank you.

argyllgran: interesting that there's no Toye, I'd take a punt on the Tye in your list. Possibly an error in transcription? Thank you very much for doing the search, I hadn't thought of looking like that. Does freebmd give more detailed records? Joyce as middle name would probably clinch it.

Thanks again, everyone!

Keith

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 22:45

Thanks Prickles!

They had a son Richard and a daughter Paula: Richard died, Paula is still alive.

John worked in Nigeria for many years.

Interestingly the shipping record includes the name Toye.

Keith


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 22:48

The Outward Passenger details is on it's way to you.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:04

Keith........where on the passengers list does it include the name Toye?

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 23:06



think I may have found the connection -



1911 England Census

Name: Grace W Adkin
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hackney
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Connor St, Lauriston Rd, S Hackney
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: South East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 1147
Household Members: Name Age
John Adkin 51
Emily A Adkin 46
Frederick W Adkin 23
William J Adkin 21
>>>>>Emily A Adkin 17
Earnest J Adkin 15
Edward A Adkin 12
Ethel A Adkin 10
>>>>Grace W Adkin 7 (see below)
Lily P Adkin 7


Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 1147.


Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>Adkin Emily E Toitz Hackney 1b 1070
Griffin George H Tyler Hackney 1b 1070
>>>>>Toitz Jack Adkin Hackney 1b 1070
Tyler Bertha Griffin Hackney 1b 1070


Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Toitz Doreen J A Adkin Hackney 1b 975



sister Grace -

Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>Adkin Grace W Elmitt Bethnal G. 1c 156
>>>>>Elmitt Charles Adkin Bethnal G. 1c 156
Gristey Thomas W Webster Bethnal G. 1c 156
Webster Miriam L Gristey Bethnal G. 1c 156



second marriage of Emily -

Marriages Mar 1928 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>ADKIN Emily E Pointer Hackney 1b 506
Norris Nellie Parker Hackney 1b 506
PARKER Frank Norris Hackney 1b 506
>>>>>Pointer William C V Toitz Adkin Hackney 1b 506
>>>>>Toitz Emily Pointer Hackney 1b 506


KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:07

Sorry, Prickles, it was here:

Births Mar 1948 (>99%)
Stacey Richard J H Toye Ilford 5a 396

which was tacked on to the bottom of the passenger list.

Keith

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:08

Well done Choccy!!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:10

Ah, i see what you mean.

I added his birth record at the bottom of my PM.

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 23:17



There were 3 other children born before Doreen - if the above is correct, wonder what happened to them?


Can't see a death for Jack Toitz.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Emily Elsie Adkin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Jack Toity
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1914
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Joseph Adkin
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Toity
Register Type: Parish Register


Off to bed now - will look in again in the morning


KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:19

Thanks Choccy, you certainly have found something which ties things together but I'm having problems getting my head around it!

IIUC, Doreen was born in 1921, mother Emily Adkin, father Toitz (sounds like Toye, anglicised to Toye?) Some years later Grace Adkin married Charles Elmitt, Doreen is "adopted" by the Elmitts. Is that what you made of it?

If so, I wonder what happened to parents Toitz?

And this ties in perfectly with argyllgran's list:

Toitz Doreen J A Adkin Hackney 1b 975

Thanks very much!!

Keith

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 23:26



Emily Elsie Toitz re-married in 1928.

One of other children died -

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Kenneth W Toitz
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 608


The other two boys married in 1942 and 1945 respectively using the surname 'TOYE'.


Definitely off to bed now.