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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 21:07

Emily Elsie is the only Emily Adkin born in Hackney between 1890 and 1895 (per FreeBMD).

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Adkin Emily Elsie Hackney 1b 578

In the 1901 census posted by PricklyHolly on page 2, Emily A Adkin's place of birth is given as Bethnal Green, but Free BMD has no Emily Adkin born there between 1890 and 1895.

In 1911 she listed as born in Hackney.

Therefore I think it's safe to assume Emily Elsie is our woman.

KeithG

KeithG Report 1 Apr 2013 20:40

There's only one little niggle with this, argyllgran: Emily A Adkin, and Emily E Adkin could conceivably be the same person I suppose? Anyone any thoughts on that?

Otherwise it all hangs together nicely, very many thanks!

And Prickles, thanks for the additional background, it was all relevant.

Keith

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 02:25

I would guess the Toitz family changed their name around the time of WW2. Perhaps they were Jewish. Or at least didn't want to sound foreign, possibly German.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 01:31

Emily E Toitz's remarriage:


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Emily E Toitz
Name: Emily E Toitz
Spouse Surname: Pointer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1928
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 506

And her death:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emily Elsie Pointer
Name: Emily Elsie Pointer
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 3160

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:44

This might not be of any interest to you but i will post it anyway........


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin (Bachelor) Boot maker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Emily Alice Simmonds (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jun 1884
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Frederick Adkin (Wine Cooper)
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Simmonds (Compositor) Deceased
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: (Difficult to read the first witness)....Alice Amelia Simmonds



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1863
Father's Name: Frederick Adkin (Cellar Man)
Mother's name: Sarah Adkin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: 10 Herbert Street.
(Brother Frderick's baptism on the same page.)



1861 England Census
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch

Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 249
Folio: 38
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Adkin 36
Sarah Adkin 36
Matilda Harriett Adkin 8
Sarah Ann Adkin 6
Frederick Adkin 3
John Joseph Adkin 1
(Residence: 11 Herbert Street.






PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:36

For a clearer picture of the 1911...

(John's occupation is "Boot" Maker on the image)

Household transcription
1911 census
Person: ADKIN, Grace W
Address: 27 Connor St S Hackney

ADKIN, John Head Married M 51 1860 Bespake Book Maker Shoreditch VIEW
ADKIN, Emily A Wife Married28 years F 46 1865 Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, Frederick W Son Single M 23 1888 Porter Chart Stationary Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, William J Son Single M 21 1890 Seaman Mercantile Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, Emily A Daughter Single F 17 1894 Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Earnest S Son Single M 15 1896 Office Boy Glass Warehouse Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Edward A Son M 12 1899 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Ethel A Daughter F 10 1901 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Grace W Daughter F 7 1904 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Lily P Daughter F 7 1904 School Hackney VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1147
Reference: RG14PN1147 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED8 SN148
Registration District: Hackney
Sub District: South East Hackney
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: St John At Hackney
Address: 27 Connor St S Hackney
County: London
(13 children born, 10 living 3 had died)



1901 England Census
about John J Adkin
Name: John J Adkin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily A Adkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 380
Piece: 231
Folio: 101
Page Number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John J Adkin 40
Emily A Adkin 37
John Adkin 16
Frederick Adkin 13
William Adkin 1
Emily Adkin 7
Edward Adkin 2
Ethel Adkin 9 Months



1891 England Census
about John J Adkin
Name: John J Adkin
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily A Adkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 204
Folio: 171
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John J Adkin 31
Emily A Adkin 28
John J Adkin 6
Alfred W J Adkin 5
Frederick C Adkin 3
William J Adkin 1


KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:29

Thanks yet again, Choccy, I'm off to bed too and I'll try and make some more sense of this tomorrow.

Keith

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:29

The way i read (and it's late mind!!).........Grace is Doreen's Aunt.

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 23:26



Emily Elsie Toitz re-married in 1928.

One of other children died -

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Kenneth W Toitz
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 608


The other two boys married in 1942 and 1945 respectively using the surname 'TOYE'.


Definitely off to bed now.

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:19

Thanks Choccy, you certainly have found something which ties things together but I'm having problems getting my head around it!

IIUC, Doreen was born in 1921, mother Emily Adkin, father Toitz (sounds like Toye, anglicised to Toye?) Some years later Grace Adkin married Charles Elmitt, Doreen is "adopted" by the Elmitts. Is that what you made of it?

If so, I wonder what happened to parents Toitz?

And this ties in perfectly with argyllgran's list:

Toitz Doreen J A Adkin Hackney 1b 975

Thanks very much!!

Keith

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 23:17



There were 3 other children born before Doreen - if the above is correct, wonder what happened to them?


Can't see a death for Jack Toitz.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Emily Elsie Adkin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Jack Toity
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1914
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Joseph Adkin
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Toity
Register Type: Parish Register


Off to bed now - will look in again in the morning


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:10

Ah, i see what you mean.

I added his birth record at the bottom of my PM.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:08

Well done Choccy!!

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:07

Sorry, Prickles, it was here:

Births Mar 1948 (>99%)
Stacey Richard J H Toye Ilford 5a 396

which was tacked on to the bottom of the passenger list.

Keith

Choccy

Choccy Report 31 Mar 2013 23:06



think I may have found the connection -



1911 England Census

Name: Grace W Adkin
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hackney
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Connor St, Lauriston Rd, S Hackney
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: South East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 1147
Household Members: Name Age
John Adkin 51
Emily A Adkin 46
Frederick W Adkin 23
William J Adkin 21
>>>>>Emily A Adkin 17
Earnest J Adkin 15
Edward A Adkin 12
Ethel A Adkin 10
>>>>Grace W Adkin 7 (see below)
Lily P Adkin 7


Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 1147.


Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>Adkin Emily E Toitz Hackney 1b 1070
Griffin George H Tyler Hackney 1b 1070
>>>>>Toitz Jack Adkin Hackney 1b 1070
Tyler Bertha Griffin Hackney 1b 1070


Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Toitz Doreen J A Adkin Hackney 1b 975



sister Grace -

Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>Adkin Grace W Elmitt Bethnal G. 1c 156
>>>>>Elmitt Charles Adkin Bethnal G. 1c 156
Gristey Thomas W Webster Bethnal G. 1c 156
Webster Miriam L Gristey Bethnal G. 1c 156



second marriage of Emily -

Marriages Mar 1928 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>ADKIN Emily E Pointer Hackney 1b 506
Norris Nellie Parker Hackney 1b 506
PARKER Frank Norris Hackney 1b 506
>>>>>Pointer William C V Toitz Adkin Hackney 1b 506
>>>>>Toitz Emily Pointer Hackney 1b 506


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:04

Keith........where on the passengers list does it include the name Toye?

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 22:48

The Outward Passenger details is on it's way to you.

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 22:45

Thanks Prickles!

They had a son Richard and a daughter Paula: Richard died, Paula is still alive.

John worked in Nigeria for many years.

Interestingly the shipping record includes the name Toye.

Keith


KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 22:36

Thank you all for very fast replies!!

Kath: until recently I had assumed that she did in fact marry using Elmet, but I've recently been given some family papers which gave her name as Toye, and the other records Including the marriage were in the name of Toye. So maybe she was "unofficially" adopted? Maybe just "staying with" as she would have been 24 at the time of her marriage.
Also her mother was not my grandmother, her husband's parents were my grandparents, my mother was his sister.

GlitterBaby: I don't know her age at marriage, that was what I was hoping to find out.
I don't have a copy of the cert.
I had assumed she was a spinster but don't know this. Could conceivably have been a war widow?

Choccy: those death records are spot on, thank you.

argyllgran: interesting that there's no Toye, I'd take a punt on the Tye in your list. Possibly an error in transcription? Thank you very much for doing the search, I hadn't thought of looking like that. Does freebmd give more detailed records? Joyce as middle name would probably clinch it.

Thanks again, everyone!

Keith

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 22:20

If you check out Freebmd..........you will see they had a son.

All 3 appear on an incoming passenger list from Calabar Nigeria which i will send to you by PM.

Doreen Joyce Audrey is age 32 in 1953.