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Doreen J A Toye

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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:29

The way i read (and it's late mind!!).........Grace is Doreen's Aunt.

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:29

Thanks yet again, Choccy, I'm off to bed too and I'll try and make some more sense of this tomorrow.

Keith

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:36

For a clearer picture of the 1911...

(John's occupation is "Boot" Maker on the image)

Household transcription
1911 census
Person: ADKIN, Grace W
Address: 27 Connor St S Hackney

ADKIN, John Head Married M 51 1860 Bespake Book Maker Shoreditch VIEW
ADKIN, Emily A Wife Married28 years F 46 1865 Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, Frederick W Son Single M 23 1888 Porter Chart Stationary Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, William J Son Single M 21 1890 Seaman Mercantile Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, Emily A Daughter Single F 17 1894 Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Earnest S Son Single M 15 1896 Office Boy Glass Warehouse Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Edward A Son M 12 1899 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Ethel A Daughter F 10 1901 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Grace W Daughter F 7 1904 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Lily P Daughter F 7 1904 School Hackney VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1147
Reference: RG14PN1147 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED8 SN148
Registration District: Hackney
Sub District: South East Hackney
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: St John At Hackney
Address: 27 Connor St S Hackney
County: London
(13 children born, 10 living 3 had died)



1901 England Census
about John J Adkin
Name: John J Adkin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily A Adkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 380
Piece: 231
Folio: 101
Page Number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John J Adkin 40
Emily A Adkin 37
John Adkin 16
Frederick Adkin 13
William Adkin 1
Emily Adkin 7
Edward Adkin 2
Ethel Adkin 9 Months



1891 England Census
about John J Adkin
Name: John J Adkin
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily A Adkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 204
Folio: 171
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John J Adkin 31
Emily A Adkin 28
John J Adkin 6
Alfred W J Adkin 5
Frederick C Adkin 3
William J Adkin 1


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:44

This might not be of any interest to you but i will post it anyway........


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin (Bachelor) Boot maker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Emily Alice Simmonds (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jun 1884
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Frederick Adkin (Wine Cooper)
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Simmonds (Compositor) Deceased
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: (Difficult to read the first witness)....Alice Amelia Simmonds



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1863
Father's Name: Frederick Adkin (Cellar Man)
Mother's name: Sarah Adkin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: 10 Herbert Street.
(Brother Frderick's baptism on the same page.)



1861 England Census
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch

Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 249
Folio: 38
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Adkin 36
Sarah Adkin 36
Matilda Harriett Adkin 8
Sarah Ann Adkin 6
Frederick Adkin 3
John Joseph Adkin 1
(Residence: 11 Herbert Street.






ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 01:31

Emily E Toitz's remarriage:


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Emily E Toitz
Name: Emily E Toitz
Spouse Surname: Pointer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1928
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 506

And her death:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emily Elsie Pointer
Name: Emily Elsie Pointer
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 3160

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 02:25

I would guess the Toitz family changed their name around the time of WW2. Perhaps they were Jewish. Or at least didn't want to sound foreign, possibly German.

KeithG

KeithG Report 1 Apr 2013 20:40

There's only one little niggle with this, argyllgran: Emily A Adkin, and Emily E Adkin could conceivably be the same person I suppose? Anyone any thoughts on that?

Otherwise it all hangs together nicely, very many thanks!

And Prickles, thanks for the additional background, it was all relevant.

Keith

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 21:07

Emily Elsie is the only Emily Adkin born in Hackney between 1890 and 1895 (per FreeBMD).

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Adkin Emily Elsie Hackney 1b 578

In the 1901 census posted by PricklyHolly on page 2, Emily A Adkin's place of birth is given as Bethnal Green, but Free BMD has no Emily Adkin born there between 1890 and 1895.

In 1911 she listed as born in Hackney.

Therefore I think it's safe to assume Emily Elsie is our woman.