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Doreen J A Toye

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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:29

The way i read (and it's late mind!!).........Grace is Doreen's Aunt.

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Mar 2013 23:29

Thanks yet again, Choccy, I'm off to bed too and I'll try and make some more sense of this tomorrow.

Keith

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:36

For a clearer picture of the 1911...

(John's occupation is "Boot" Maker on the image)

Household transcription
1911 census
Person: ADKIN, Grace W
Address: 27 Connor St S Hackney

ADKIN, John Head Married M 51 1860 Bespake Book Maker Shoreditch VIEW
ADKIN, Emily A Wife Married28 years F 46 1865 Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, Frederick W Son Single M 23 1888 Porter Chart Stationary Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, William J Son Single M 21 1890 Seaman Mercantile Bethnal Green VIEW
ADKIN, Emily A Daughter Single F 17 1894 Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Earnest S Son Single M 15 1896 Office Boy Glass Warehouse Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Edward A Son M 12 1899 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Ethel A Daughter F 10 1901 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Grace W Daughter F 7 1904 School Hackney VIEW
ADKIN, Lily P Daughter F 7 1904 School Hackney VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1147
Reference: RG14PN1147 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED8 SN148
Registration District: Hackney
Sub District: South East Hackney
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: St John At Hackney
Address: 27 Connor St S Hackney
County: London
(13 children born, 10 living 3 had died)



1901 England Census
about John J Adkin
Name: John J Adkin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily A Adkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 380
Piece: 231
Folio: 101
Page Number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John J Adkin 40
Emily A Adkin 37
John Adkin 16
Frederick Adkin 13
William Adkin 1
Emily Adkin 7
Edward Adkin 2
Ethel Adkin 9 Months



1891 England Census
about John J Adkin
Name: John J Adkin
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily A Adkin
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 204
Folio: 171
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John J Adkin 31
Emily A Adkin 28
John J Adkin 6
Alfred W J Adkin 5
Frederick C Adkin 3
William J Adkin 1


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Mar 2013 23:44

This might not be of any interest to you but i will post it anyway........


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin (Bachelor) Boot maker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Emily Alice Simmonds (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jun 1884
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Frederick Adkin (Wine Cooper)
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Simmonds (Compositor) Deceased
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: (Difficult to read the first witness)....Alice Amelia Simmonds



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1863
Father's Name: Frederick Adkin (Cellar Man)
Mother's name: Sarah Adkin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: 10 Herbert Street.
(Brother Frderick's baptism on the same page.)



1861 England Census
about John Joseph Adkin
Name: John Joseph Adkin
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch

Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 249
Folio: 38
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Adkin 36
Sarah Adkin 36
Matilda Harriett Adkin 8
Sarah Ann Adkin 6
Frederick Adkin 3
John Joseph Adkin 1
(Residence: 11 Herbert Street.






ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 01:31

Emily E Toitz's remarriage:


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Emily E Toitz
Name: Emily E Toitz
Spouse Surname: Pointer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1928
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 506

And her death:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emily Elsie Pointer
Name: Emily Elsie Pointer
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 3160

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 02:25

I would guess the Toitz family changed their name around the time of WW2. Perhaps they were Jewish. Or at least didn't want to sound foreign, possibly German.

KeithG

KeithG Report 1 Apr 2013 20:40

There's only one little niggle with this, argyllgran: Emily A Adkin, and Emily E Adkin could conceivably be the same person I suppose? Anyone any thoughts on that?

Otherwise it all hangs together nicely, very many thanks!

And Prickles, thanks for the additional background, it was all relevant.

Keith

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Apr 2013 21:07

Emily Elsie is the only Emily Adkin born in Hackney between 1890 and 1895 (per FreeBMD).

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Adkin Emily Elsie Hackney 1b 578

In the 1901 census posted by PricklyHolly on page 2, Emily A Adkin's place of birth is given as Bethnal Green, but Free BMD has no Emily Adkin born there between 1890 and 1895.

In 1911 she listed as born in Hackney.

Therefore I think it's safe to assume Emily Elsie is our woman.

KeithG

KeithG Report 29 Jul 2015 21:04

Since the above sequence of messages, I have found out a little more. I'm posting it here to help any other researchers if / when they stumble across this discussion. For some of what follows I am grateful to an Ancestry member who kindly shared her research.

In and around the 1940s the Toitz children changed their names to Toye, Doreen's case is reported in London Gazette entries 19 December 1939 and 23 January 1940. Whether this was to anglicise their name due to anti German feelings or for other reasons is not clear. Anecdotal evidence suggests that Doreen's father had another wife in Germany, I have yet to find any evidence of this but it was discovered by a relation researching the family more than 15 years ago, he is regrettably no longer alive.

Jack Toitz sounds to have been a bit of a rascal. His "real" name was Isidore, but used John and Jack among other things, and wasn't above adopting other family names! He was a toymaker and went bankrupt a number of times (3?), moving on to start another company somewhere else.

Isidore's father was Abraham, AKA Alfred and may also have used the name Samuel. The family were Polish / Russian Jews who arrived in the UK towards the end of the 1800s, possibly originally from Minsk. I have no idea whether it is possible to research such records. I've found a naturalisation record for a Samuel Toitz dated 1898 but I have no evidence that this refers to the same family.

Obviously I'd be delighted if anyone can add further to this but the main purpose was to "round off" the thread for the benefit of others.

Keith

Amanda,

Amanda, Report 30 Jul 2015 22:16

Hi Keith,

How interesting, Samuel's papers are on Ancestry but Abraham's are 1913 which have not been loaded, 1912 seems to be the cut off point, wondering if they might be brothers?

Will send you Samuel's as they show his parents.

Kind regards
Amanda

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Jul 2015 05:54

Hi Amanda

Please can you say how you know Abraham's papers are from 1913? I was wondering why I could not find anything. I was also wondering whether they were brothers, for the moment that's what I'm assuming but I'd prefer some hard evidence. Abraham's naturalisation papers would probably provide that. Do you suppose it's just a matter of "they haven't been loaded yet" and if we wait a while they will appear, or might there be some reason, a 105 year rule for example?

Keith

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 31 Jul 2015 07:19

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/?_q=toitz

(National Archives have items, Toitz)

Chris :)

(no idea if below in family, from google)

London Street Directory in 1921
Cambridge Road , Mile End to Mare Street, Hackney E1 & E2 - West Side

Hare Court
519 Toitz Mrs Dora, toy maker

http://pubshistory.com/streets/CambridgeRoadWest.shtml


19 August 1925 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire

Charged on remand at Bow Street yesterday, with having entered false statements hotel register Isidore Toitz (31), a toy manufacturer, of Russian birth, King Edward Road, Hackney.
"Toitz, in the witness box, said he acquired British status when his father became naturalised in 1913.


25 October 1915 - Birmingham Daily Post - Birmingham, West Midlands

Samuel Toitz, a British subject, of Commercial Road, was fined at Thames Police Court, on Saturday, for failing to keep a register, and to enter particulars of all alien lodgers in his home.


(probably worth a look round on newspapers too, Find My Past, Genes or below)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/advanced

KeithG

KeithG Report 31 Jul 2015 08:30

Hi Chris!!

Yes, that first item in the National Archives Discovery search is a family historian's nightmare. Isidore with a string of AKAs, where do you start?

"TOITZ, I aka TOITZ, J aka TOITZE aka WHITE, A aka WILSON, H T aka WILSON D E Year of birth 1891"

On top of which the article is locked for 100 years!!

As I said, Isidore was a bit of a rascal, apparently. Apart from multiple aliases, and multiple bankruptcies, it's thought he had multiple concurrent wives too - although I've only anecdotal evidence so far for that last claim.

But one of those newspaper clippings has confirmed something for me. I have the naturalisation papers for Samuel Toitz but could find nothing about Abraham Toitz, Isidore's father. I had heard, but without substantiation, that Abraham's naturalisation was in 1913, the 1925 quote seems to support that. And your Discovery search has turned up the naturalisation certificate for Abraham!

You seem to be able to make much better use of the newspaper archives than I do, Chris. I took out an introductory subscription for a month a while back and all I found was gibberish, caused by very poor OCR of the pages and a limited search implementation. So I cancelled my subscription. Looks as if I need to try again and persevere!

Thanks again Chris!

Keith

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 31 Jul 2015 13:57

There is a newspaper article here about Isidore Toitz being sentenced to six months hard labour in 1925:-

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000563%2f19250819%2f048

Kath. x

KeithG

KeithG Report 1 Aug 2015 11:50

Indeed there is, thank you! Initially there was talk of him having been a bigamist, but maybe pentagamist might be more appropriate ;))

Thanks Kathleen!

Keith

KeithG

KeithG Report 2 Aug 2015 11:38

We now have two families with the family name Toitz, one Abraham the other Samuel. From their naturalisation papers they have different parents and are therefore not brothers (which would have made life easier!). Both were Jewish, born in Minsk.

I'm told that they have some films for Minsk at the LDS (thanks Amanda) but that these are likely to be in Russian or Polish, neither of which I speak, and of course I have no idea if they have the relevant records. Might anyone be able to help with this please?

I understand that there are four synagogues in Minsk, they might be able to help perhaps, but again language is likely to make that difficult.

And I'd welcome other ideas for finding (and reading!) records relating to Minsk.

Keith