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1891 census look up please

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Jacqui

Jacqui Report 1 Apr 2013 20:18

Hi, I am trying to ascertain the parentage of my Great Grandmother - Mary Ann Amy Griffiths b. 20.4.1892. Birth certificate states Henry and Amy (nee Jermyn) Griffiths who at the time of registering the birth (June 1892) were living at 57 King Street, Cornwall Road, Lambeth (Waterloo First sub district).

However, Baptismal records from St John's, Waterloo Road, Lambeth in May 1892 show a Mary Ann Amy Griffiths b. 20.4.1892 with parents as John and Alice living at 41 King Street.

I know that Mary Ann Amy obviously wont show up on the previous years census but I am hoping to ascertain if there were two Griffiths' families living within such close proximity and this being the case the likelihood of two Mary Ann Amy Griffiths being born on the same date within probably 100 yards of each other.

I'd be really grateful for any help or advice as after 10 years of searching for Mary Ann's parentage I am still very :-S

Many thanks
Jax

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:21

Will not be on 1891 if born 1892 or are you looking for the possible parents

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:24

When did Henry and Amy marry ?

Have you found any other baptisms

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 20:28

What was Henry's occupation on the original birth certificate?

Andrew

Andrew Report 1 Apr 2013 20:31

For ref

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Ann Amy Griffiths
Name: Mary Ann Amy Griffiths
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 May 1892
Father's Name: John Griffiths
Mother's name: Alice Griffiths
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers



Looking at the register, the poor curate did nine baptisms on the same day. Another child had parents John and Alice as well, and I wonder if he made an error writing his register up after a very long day.

Andy

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:36

??

Name: William Griffiths
Record Type: Birth
Estimated Birth Date: 3 Oct 1895
Father's Name: Henry Griffiths
Mother's name: Amy Griffiths
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:38

1911 no idea if right family

Name: Henry Griffiths
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Halford Road, Fulham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 22
Estimated Marriage Year: 1889
Occupation: STATIONARY ENGINE DRIVER
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North East Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 329
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Griffiths 44
Anna Griffiths 42
Henry Griffiths 19
Florence Griffiths 17
William Griffiths 16
Albert Griffiths 14
Leonard Dean 1


Probably not as I think this one married Anna S Johnson in 1886

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:42

How do you know you have the right birth cert ?

what is the occupation of father on it ?

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 20:44

Who did she name as her father on her marriage?

Jacqui

Jacqui Report 1 Apr 2013 20:46

GB - yes trying to ascertain the parentage - as I have two different sets of names - Henry and Amy on birth cert and John and Alice on baptismal recs. Cant find marriage ???
Thanks for the Wm Griffiths info - may well try and get a copy of that certificate.

Flip - On birth certificate fathers occupation was a general carman.

Andrew - Yes thats the baptismal record for her, or so I believe, and yes I noted the amount of baptisms done that day and am trying to establish the parentage which I think was wrongly recorded by an overworked curate! Hence the look up request for 1891

Anyone with access to the 1891 census?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:46

This might need to be ruled out. 1881 says born 1871 Newington

Name: Amy Jermyn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Richard Chambers
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Mar 1886
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Jacob Jermyn
Spouse Father Name: Richard Chambers
Register Type: Parish Register



Her parents are on 1891 with a grandson Richard Chambers.

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 20:47

I guess this one?

Mary Ann Amy Griffiths
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 18
Spouse Name: George Samuel Eason
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jan 1909
Parish: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Griffiths (waterside labourer)
Spouse Father Name: George Samuel Eason
Register Type: Parish Register

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 Apr 2013 20:47

Struggling with 1891 at the moment

Jacqui

Jacqui Report 1 Apr 2013 20:49

Mary Ann's marriage certificate in 1909 notes father as Henry - occupation a Waterside labourer.

GB I thought seeing as I couldnt find the marriage that the Amy Jermyn b 1865 was possible but I am told unlikely due to the baptismal record - which I need to clarify ? wrong parents noted as lots of baptisms done that day

Jacqui

Jacqui Report 1 Apr 2013 20:50

Flip - yes thats definitely her marriage record

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 21:17

I would be inclined to believe the birth and marriage certificate - and put the christening down to the curate's mistake. Not sure if relevant, but the christening record had father down as Scravenger.

Like GlitterBaby, I can't see any of them in 1891 either. Could do with a FMP address search to see if either address had Griffiths families living there.

Jacqui

Jacqui Report 1 Apr 2013 21:21

GB Is there a free search on baptismal records for the birth of William Griffiths that you posted earlier - Just wondering which church it was from? I'll happily trawl through to find any other Griffiths births with Henry and Amy as parents.

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 21:35

The record posted was for births in the Lambeth Workhouse - William, born to Henry and Amy Griffiths. It was not a christening record so far as I can see.

Added, I've looked on Ancestry and can't see another birth or christening for any other child to Henry and Amy Griffiths.

Jacqui

Jacqui Report 1 Apr 2013 22:00

Thanks so much!

Vicci

Vicci Report 2 Apr 2013 01:10

just to confuse things further!
1891
51, King Street, Lambeth

GRIFFITHS, Henry Head Married M 24 1867 Carman Dust Yard
St Giles, London VIEW
GRIFFITHS, Alice Wife Married F 22 1869
Newington, London VIEW
GRIFFITHS, Henry Son M 5 1886
Lambeth, London VIEW
GRIFFITHS, Rebecca Daughter F 1 1890
Lambeth, London VIEW

Piece: 388

Folio: 21

Page: 41

Registration District: Lambeth

Civil Parish: Lambeth

Municipal Borough: Lambeth

Address: 51, King Street, Lambeth

County: London