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William and Margaret ELizabeth Dickinson

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Karen

Karen Report 3 Dec 2013 10:19

Another big thank you to marieceleste and mgnv for your replies. This side of my family have been a mysterious lot, it would appear there were a couple of black sheep ( William and Margaret) who were not talked about. Margaret in particular was never mentioned even though my granddad, George Thomas had lived with her in Barrow as a young man. It was only when I was researching that I discovered her existence. I would love to know what happened to Charles and Ethel Watson and also Williams supposed 2 children who I presume ended up in Belfast with their mother

mgnv

mgnv Report 3 Dec 2013 00:35

LINDALE, a chapelry, in the township of Upper Allithwaite, parish of Cartmel, union of Ulverston, hundred of Lonsdale north of the Sands, N. division of Lancashire, 10 miles (W. by S.) from Milnthorpe...
[Lewis http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=445 ]
so I would expect Margt E's birth is rego'ed in Cartmel subdistrict of Ulveerston RD.
The 1837 RDs were based on the poor law unions of the time, and we know Lindale was in Ulverston. Unfortunately, CumbriaBMD haven't transcribed Cartmel yet.
1911 says she's marr for 4 y; 2 live births; 2 still living.


Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
WATSON Margaret Elizabeth D Ulverston 8e 807
[I wonder if the D stands for Dickinson]

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
DICKINSON Agnes Annabella Barrow F. 8e 856
Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Dickinson Agnes Annabella 1 Barrow F. 8e 679

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Dickinson George Thomas Barrow F. 8e 841

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Dickinson William James Barrow F. 8e 856


1891 England Census Transcription
Street:12 NAPIER STREET
Parish:BARROW IN FURNESS
Town:BARROW
City:BARROW
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:ST MATTHEW
Municipal Ward:RAMSDEN
Parliamentary Borough:BARROW IN FURNESS
Registration District:BARROW IN FURNESS
Enumeration District:9
Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:3484 Folio:8 Page:9

JAMES DICKENSON 1859 32 Ulverston HEAD M Engine Fitter
ELLEN DICKENSON 1859 32 Dalton in F WIFE M
MARGARET E DICKENSON 1886 5 Dalton in F DAUGHTER Scholar
GEORGE T DICKENSON 1891 0 Barrow in F SON

Next h/h [same page]
Street:12 NAPIER STREET
GEORGE DICKENSON 1822 69 Wigan HEAD M Steel Works Laborer
MARGARET DICKENSON 1821 70 Wigan WIFE M



1901 England Census Transcription
Street:101 GREENWICH ROAD
Parish:GREENWICH
County:London
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:ST PAUL
Municipal Ward:WEST
Parliamentary Borough:GREENWICH
Registration District:GREENWICH
Registration Sub-District: Greenwich West
Enumeration District:12
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:537 Folio:162 Page:17

JAMES DICKINSON 1860 41 ULVERSTON HEAD M Fitter
ELIZABETH DICKINSON 1864 37 HALE, Cornwall WIFE M
MARGARET ELIZABETH DICKINSON 1886 15 LINDAL IN FURNESS DAUGHTER S
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:537 Folio:162 Page:18
GEORGE THOMAS DICKINSON 1891 10 BARROW IN FURNESS SON
WILLIAM JAMES DICKINSON 1895 6 BARROW IN FURNESS SON
[Maybe "Hale" is Hale Mills, 6km E of Redruth?]


Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
Dickinson James Ulverston 8e 1052
McDonald Annie Ulverston 8e 1052
WATSON Ellen Ulverston 8e 1052
Wright Samuel Ulverston 8e 1052

Right now you can get 1921 images for free if you search at the right Ancestry:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991

You can also search the US federal census via:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Dec 2013 18:03

A possible 1921 for him:

1921 Census of Canada
Name: William Dickinson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single <<
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birth Place: England

Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1920
Racial or Tribal Origin: English

Province or Territory: Ontario
District: London
District Number: 101
Sub-District: Ward 4
Sub-District Number: 59
City, Town or Village: London
Street or Township: 968 Wellington St
Municipality: Ward 4

Occupation: Laborer
Income: 650

Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur White 31
Bessie White 32
Nicholas White 1
William Dickinson 28

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Dec 2013 17:46

Karen, could you give some further info on the immigration record for William James Dickinson that you refer to? Where was he arriving - was it actually in 1929?

Just a chance that if we can follow him up it may give some clues about Margaret.

EDIT: OK - found it, it was 1928

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
Name: William V Dickinson (initial is J on image)
Arrival Date: 15 Mar 1928
Age: 34 Years 9 Months
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birthplace: Dariowin (Barrow in Furness)
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Departure Contact: Friend J Sullivan of 339 Gorglau, Windsor, Ont

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_17

He was a boilermaker and headed to a rooming house in Detroit, Michigan.

On the image, it looks very much like the wife is in Belfast, Ireland.

He's arrived in Quebec 14 November 1919 on the Emperor of France.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Dec 2013 16:47

I nearly dismissed this baptism because of the location but it could be a possibility:

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

Forenames: Charles Alfred
Surname: Weston
Sex: Male
Christening Year: 1905
Christening Date: 22 Feb 1905
Date of Birth: 30 May 1904
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: Charles Alfred - Marine Engineer
Father's Surname: Weston
Mother's Forename: Margaret Elizabeth
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 42
Record Number: 1054
Parish: St. Paul
City or Town: Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms 1538-1910
Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

Address is 3 Chapel Street.

EDIT: The only way you're going to be really sure is to buy copies of the birth certificates.

Karen

Karen Report 2 Dec 2013 15:37

Has anyone got access to records that would give the name of the father of Charles Alfred Weston born 1904 Greenwich and his sister Ethel May Weston born 1907 Barrow in Furness. The childrens mother was Margaret Elizabeth Dickinson ( she also used the surname Watson)who was born in Lindal. I can only find records of Margaret and the 2 children up to 1911 but no records of the childrens father. After 1911 they all seem to disappear without trace.

mgnv

mgnv Report 2 Apr 2013 15:04

Re LANAnn's post from http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DICKINSON Agnes Isabella Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services WATSON B/46/131

I think there's a transcription error here - this entry appears in the GRO index as:
Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
DICKINSON Agnes Annabella Barrow F. 8e 856
i.e., with a mid-name of Annabella - same as is used in her other entry:

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Dickinson Agnes Annabella 1 Barrow F. 8e 679

Cumbria Death indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
DICKINSON Agnes A Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services B/22/309

Karen

Karen Report 2 Apr 2013 14:08

A big thank you to all who found this info for me so quickly. Yes it appears that Margarets children Charles and Ethel were incorrectly named as DIckinson on the 1911 census when they should have been Weston. I have found that Agnes died aged about 1. I still can't find any marriage details for Margaret ( I guess it could be in Greenwich where Charles was born). Mr Weston Snr remains elusive as does what happens to Margaret and the children after 1911. William James DIckinson also became a mystery ( after he went to Canada/US) and what happened to his supposed wife/ children that family rumours said he abandoned. Thanks again

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 1 Apr 2013 23:48

brother and sister

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DICKINSON Agnes Isabella Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services WATSON B/46/131

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DICKINSON William James Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services WATSON B/63/303

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 1 Apr 2013 23:43

and this is Ethel May's birth reg which shows mmn = Dickinson

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WESTON Ethel May Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services DICKINSON B/111/458

and George with mmn = Watson

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DICKINSON George Thomas Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services WATSON B/52/87

Lynski

Lynski Report 1 Apr 2013 21:31

1911 census ??

WESTON, Margaret Elizabeth Head Married7 years F 25 1886 Lindal in Furness Lancashire
DICKINSON, George Thomas Brother Single M 20 1891 Apprentice Ships Plumber Barrow in Furness Lancashire
DICKINSON, William James Brother Single M 16 1895 Plumbers Labourer Barrow in Furness Lancashire
DICKINSON, Charles Alfred Son M 6 1905 Greenwick London
DICKINSON, Ethel May Daughter F 3 1908 Barrow in Furness Lancashire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 25687 Reference: RG14PN25687 RG78PN1473 RD482 SD1 ED37 SN219 Registration District: Barrow in Furness Sub District: Barrow in Furness Enumeration District: 37 Parish: Barrow in Furness Address: 19 Bolton St Barrow County: Lancashire

I looked at the original and the surname of Charles and Ethel is Weston.


This is from FMP.
They have been transcribed incorrectly and I have requested a correction.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 Apr 2013 21:23

Name: William Dickinson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Birthplace: Barrow In Furness, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Barrow In Furness
Sub-District: Barrow In Furness
Parish: Barrow In Furness
County: Lancashire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 Apr 2013 21:22

Name: William James Dickinson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birthplace: Barrow In Furness, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Barrow In Furness
Sub-District: Barrow In Furness
Parish: Barrow In Furness
County: Lancashire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 Apr 2013 21:21

Name: William E Dickinson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Barrow, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Ulverston
Sub-District: Ulverston
Ecclesiastical Parish: Ulverston St Mary & C
Civil Parish: Ulverston
District/Parish/County: Lancashire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 Apr 2013 21:19

Name: George Thomas Dickinson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birthplace: Barrow In Furness, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Barrow In Furness
Sub-District: Barrow In Furness
Parish: Barrow In Furness
County: Lancashire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 Apr 2013 21:17

Name: George Thomas Dickinson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Barrow In Furness, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-District: Greenwich West
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Paul
Civil Parish: Greenwich
District/Parish/County: London, Middlesex

Lynski

Lynski Report 1 Apr 2013 21:14

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
WESTON Charles Alfred Greenwich 1d 1103

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
WESTON Ethel May Barrow F. 8e 780

If you want to know the father's name you could order one of their certificates?

Karen

Karen Report 1 Apr 2013 20:32

Im trying to find relatives of my grandad George Dickinson born approx 1890 who lived in the Barrow in Furness area. He had a brother Bill ( William) who went to live in the US. Bill married and had 2 children ( a boy and a girl I think) and later divorced and returned to Barrow for a short while before returning to the States. Bill's children came to barrow to look for him but I think they were unsuccessful. The must now be in their 70's/80's. My grandad George was married to Elsie Holmes who had a sister and two brothers( Phoebe, Fred and Harry). I believe that Bill's daughter may have worked in the laundry in barrow while she as looking for her father.
UPDATE
SInce this posting I have discovered that Bill might have been in Canada prior to going to the US. I have found a US immigration record that stated he arrived in Quebec in Nov 1919 and went to the US in 1929. This means his marriage ( and possibly children) were in Canada. On the immigration record it said he had a wife in Belfast ( don't know whether thats Belfast Ireland or Belfast Ontario) but there was no mention of children.
I also have another mystery I cannot solve. It appears Bill and my grandfather George had an older sister Margaret Elizabeth who I didn't know about. Her birth record in 1886 in Barrow in Furness gives her name as Margaret Elizabeth D Watson ( Watson being her mothers maiden name, her parents not marrying until 1888). She next appears in the 1911 census as living in Barrow ( but I know the family had spent some time living in Greenwich London) with her 2 brothers Bill and George and 2 children, Charles Alfred born in Greenwich and Ethel May born in Barrow. It gives her as married and her surname as Weston but there is no record of her husband. Margaret and her children then seem to disappear off the face of the earth. I suppose it is possible they emigrated and I wonder if thats why Bill left the uk as well. Any help would be gratefully appreciated as I have tried for years to find these missing links