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1871 census at bottom of thread please







I have found a marriage :-

Marriages Mar 1917
Davies Edward Samuels Wrexham
11b 269

Samuels Elizabeth A Davies Wrexham
11b 269

who I believe are the parents of

Births Sep 1917
Davies Mary C Samuels Wrexham
11b 418

Births Mar 1920
Davies Shiela B Samuels Wrexham
11b 540

Births Mar 1922
Davies Julia P Samuels Wrexham
11b 425

but I don't know anything more about them. As they get married after 1911 I am a bit stuck. Do they, by any chance, show up as a marriage with fathers please?

This is my last throw before asking for a certificate!

Many thanks,
Frances

That is all you will find online you need a certificate to give you fathers name etc
unless you can find them in anyone's tree on here and can send the owner a message asking if they have any info

Thanks Jansmith, I have just been asked to meet the descendant on Monday so either he has a good memory or he is facing coughing up £9 !!

??

1911 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Ann Sammels
Name: Elizabeth Ann Sammels
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Broughton
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Nol Hill St Pentre Broughton
Occupation: School
Registration district: Wrexham
Registration District Number: 621
Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 231
Piece: 34037
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Sammels 45
Mary Ann Sammels 47
Elizabeth Ann Sammels 13
William Sammels 11
Eva Sammels 9
Dora Sammels 7
Thomas Evans 54

1901 Wales Census
about Eliz A Samuels
Name: Eliz A Samuels
Age in 1901: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ed Samuels
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Samuels
Gender: Female
Where born: Broughton

Civil parish: Broughton
Ecclesiastical parish: Brymbo St Mary
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Piece: 5220
Folio: 73
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Ed Samuels 34
Mary Ann Samuels 35
Eliz A Samuels 3
Wm Samuels 2

Thinking if they married where she comes from then there is this possible birth

Name:
Elizabeth Ann Samuels
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1898
Registration district:
Wrexham
Inferred County:
Denbighshire
Volume:11b
Page:269

snap Jax was just about to post that :-)

That looks good Jax. See if it rings any bells on Monday.

You will find this site useful.

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

and

http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/community/genealogy/cemeteries_search/CemeteriesIndexSearchForm.cfm

and

http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/heritage/online_resources/wrexham_1898.htm#.UGVpjJxg8fQ.facebook

This may be them


Married March 1st 1917 at Esclusham Church Denbighshire

Father Thomas Davies (dec) Clerk
Father Edward Samuels. Soldier

Can send you original with addresses on

Ann

Elizabeth Ann Samuels family same address as marriage record.



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Person: SAMUELS, Edward Address: 1 Hill St Broughton Wrexham
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Name Relation Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
SAMUELS, Edward Head Married M 45 1866 Coal Miner Hewer Pekos Llanerchougog VIEW
SAMUELS, Mary Ann Wife Married20 years F 47 1864 Morda Oswestry VIEW
SAMUELS, Elizabeth Ann Daughter F 13 1898 School Pentre Broughton VIEW
SAMUELS, William Son M 11 1900 School Pentre Broughton VIEW
SAMUELS, Eva Daughter F 9 1902 School Pentre Broughton VIEW
SAMUELS, Dora Daughter F 7 1904 School Pentre Broughton VIEW
EVANS, Thomas Relative Single M 54 1857 Coal Miner Hewer Morda Oswestry VIEW

Thank you Jansmith, LadyKira and "Ann" plus Ann for alerting me to all this lovely info.
I have to tell you "Ann" that you got to me about 3 mins before I would have been in 'My Threads'. I always read my emails first! What sometimes throws me is when somebody posts on a thread from 2 years ago ....... All this because I am a serious addict to this family history sleuthing thing.

I have now found

Marriages Sep 1891
Samuels Edward Oswestry
6a 1219

Evans Mary Ann Oswestry
6a 1219

which suggests that Thomas Evans 1857 is the brother of Mary Ann 1864, in the 1911 census. I need the 1871 to show that, with their parents please? Evans is not normally an easy name to trace in Wales but having potentially a brother and sister may ease the problem

Looks like I was being optimistic as, from the single line search in 1891 :-

Evans Mary A 1865 Morda Oswestry, St Martin

is not a full match for

Evans Thomas 1857 Oswestry Oswestry, Oswestry

so if somebody could find the full 1871 census to go with Mary A that would be most helpful

I am guessing that this is Mary's brother

1891
Evans Mary A 1865 Morda Oswestry, St Martin
Evans Joseph 1867 Morda Oswestry, St Martin

Ndg Ndg please

What about this one for Mary Ann & Thomas.....

https://familysearch.org

Thomas Evans in household of William Evans, "England and Wales Census, 1871"

Name: Thomas Evans
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Oswestry, Salop
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Oswestry
Sub-District: Oswestry
Parish: Sweeney
County: Shropshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Evans M 43 West Felton, Salop
Wife Ann Evans F 44 Oswestry, Salop
Son William Evans M 19 Oswestry, Salop
Son Thomas Evans M 14 Oswestry, Salop
Daughter Mary A Evans F 6 Oswestry, Salop

Thank you Christina, I am still trying to equate your 1871 with the other stuff I have found and it is a possible fit so perhaps the Joseph I found in the 1891 census is a red herring.
I wonder if Mary's parents are still around in 1891, she doesn't get married until the Sep quarter.

On the 1891 index Thomas b1859 & Mary A b1865 are both with parents William & Ann.

Joseph only has one parent shown on the index...so doesn't look like he's connected.