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Who is Olga Holgate?

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Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 20:31

I've been having a nostalgic root through a long forgotten box of my Dad's keepsakes and I've come across a Longman's Elementary Historical Atlas, printed in 1918.

On the inside cover is a sticker for Blackpool Secondary School, with the name Olga Holgate, Form 1A, Locker573.

Now, given that my Dad kept nothing unless it was of sentimental value to him, there must be a connection between my Dad and Olga.....but I can't find it.

The only entry under that name on FreeBMD is a birth for an Olga Maude Holgate in Fylde in 1909. That's the right area for the school, so must be her? 1911 census has an entry under that name and there is a death, so doesn't look like she ever married.

I have no Holgates in my tree, although that is very much a slow and ongoing project.

I have checked, but she's not on anyone's tree here.

If anyone has the time, would you like to help me trace her ancestors?

Any help gratefully received.

Fredk

Fredk Report 6 Apr 2013 20:41




1911 Census Household Record
Household information
Address 14 Victoria Avenue Blackpool
Parish Blackpool
Town Blackpool
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 5
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN25431 RG78PN1454 RD477 SD3 ED29 SN185
Administrative County Lancashire
Registration District Fylde
Registration Sub District Blackpool
Enumeration District 29
Householder 1
Name Ernest Holgate
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Occupation General Engraver
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Lancashire Bolton
Householder 2
Name Alice Holgate
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 8 Years
Total Children Born Alive 1
Children Still Living 1
Children Who Have Died 0
Gender F
Age 34
Estimated Year of Birth 1877
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Cheshire Disley
Householder 3
Name Olga Maude Holgate
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1909
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Lancashire Marton
Householder 4
Name Beatrice Marshall
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 33
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Occupation Shop Confectionery
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Lancashire Manchester

Margee

Margee Report 6 Apr 2013 20:42

Parents' marriage?

Marriages Mar 1903 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dooley Alice Chorlton 8c 934
Holgate Ernest Chorlton 8c 934

Choccy

Choccy Report 6 Apr 2013 20:42



Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911

Name: Olga Maude Holgate
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1909
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1909
Parish: Blackpool, South Shore
Father: Ernest Holgate
Mother: Alice Holgate
Reference Number: Pr 2921/1/4


Choccy

Choccy Report 6 Apr 2013 20:46



Marriages Mar 1903 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>Dooley Alice Chorlton 8c 934
>>>>>Holgate Ernest Chorlton 8c 934
Walker Jane Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 934
Watts George Robert Chorlton 8c 934


Choccy

Choccy Report 6 Apr 2013 20:52



UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Olga Holgate
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1909
Departure Date: 6 May 1931
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Round Cruise
Ship Name: Atlantis
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Atlantis' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Co
Official Number: 135497
Master: B Shillitoe



New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Olga Holgate
Arrival Date: 12 Nov 1935
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Blackpool
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: American Banker


Occupation - Secretary



UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Olga M Holgate
Birth Date: abt 1909
Age: 27
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1936
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: American Banker
Search Ship Database: View the 'American Banker' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: American Line
Official Number: 220643

Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 1096; Item: 144.

UK address: 129 Warley Road, Blackpool


Choccy

Choccy Report 6 Apr 2013 21:03



Alice Pooley (Dooley)

1901

RG number: RG13
Piece: 3538
Folio: 13
Page: 18
Reg. District: Ormskirk
Sub District: North Meols
Parish: Southport
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 54, Belmont Street, Southport
County: Lancashire



BARGERS, Harriet Head Widow F 60 1841 Living On Own Means
Manchester, Lancashire
BARGERS, Amy G Daughter Single F 38 1863
Manchester, Lancashire
BARGERS, Edith H Daughter Single F 27 1874 Sales Woman Art Needlework
Westhoughton, Lancashire
MASON, Mary A Boarder Widow F 54 1847 Living On Own Means
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
MASON, Ina Alberta Boarder Single F 25 1876 Sales Woman Toilet Requisites
Birmingham, Warwickshire
>>>>>POOLEY, Alice Boarder Single F 24 1877 Saleswoman Boots
Disley, Derbyshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 6 Apr 2013 21:04

Also this one.

Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
Print Close
Name: Olga HOLGATE
Date of departure: 6 May 1931
Port of departure: Southampton
Destination port: Round Voyage
Destination country: Round Voyage
Date of Birth: 1909 (calculated from age)
Age: 22
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation:
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 10

Ship: ATLANTIS
Official Number: 135497
Master's name: B Shillitoe
Steamship Line: The Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Where bound: Round Voyage


Adress is Langstone, Bupham Rd, Blackpool. I think she is travelling with a 34 year old Ida Williams, both travelling first class.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 21:21

Goodness. So much already! Thank you all.

I'll just have a read through to see if I can find a connection so far.

Christina. x

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 21:55

So, just to summarise...

Olga Maude Holgate b1909 in Blackpool.

Parents Ernest Holgate b1879 Bolton, Lancashire and Alice Dooley b1877 Disley, Cheshire.

Alice Dooley living in Southport in 1901.

Ernest & Alice married in Chorlton in 1903.

Olga travels 1st class on a cruise in 1931. Then she travels to the USA in 1935 as a secretary, returning in 1936.

Do you think it would have been the usual thing for a secretary to go on cruises in the 1930's? Or could she have been travelling as a paid companion to Ida Williams?

She still lives in Blackpool in 1935.


I'm wondering if there is a family connection with the Holgates after all? Ernest was born in Bolton in 1879 and my grandfather (also named Ernest) was also born in Bolton, in 1882.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 6 Apr 2013 22:39


Olga never married and died 1979 in Blackpool,

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 22:41

Found this site for Disley Baptisms.

http://www.disley.net/disley_baptisms/disley_baptisms_156.html


Just wading through as they are in date order and found this very sad, horrific entry....



Ellen

Baptised 31 Aug 1874


'An infant child found in the park wall by Edward SWINDELLS. The child was naked when found, walled up in the wall & is supposed to have been placed there by a woman. This child died Nov 1 1874 and was buried Nov 4 1874`


It beggars belief that a woman could do that. :-(

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 22:55

Thanks for Olga's death info. Kay. Looks like she lived in Blackpool all her life then.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Apr 2013 23:13

Christine -

Was your dad the same age as Olga? and did he attend Blackpool Secondary School?
If he only kept things of sentimental value, as you say, and he kept her school book, my immediate thought was that perhaps she was his first teenage love.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 23:41

Hi argyllgran. No my dad was born in 1924 and went to school in Bolton.

Edit: Sorry, I should have mentioned that at the start. :-(

I did think the same as you at first, she may have moved schools and brought the book with her, until I found the 1909 birth.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 6 Apr 2013 23:48

Couldn't find a baptism for Alice Dooley in Disley, but I suppose she may have been baptised elsewhere.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 7 Apr 2013 00:12

Past my bedtime, so I'll return to this tomorrow.

Fredk, Margee, Choccy, alviegal, Kay and argyllgran, thank you all very much for your help. :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Apr 2013 00:40

Just had a look at the passenger records posted above, and wondered about them:

In 1931, Olga and Ida have the same home address, and neither has an occupation listed. It's not that the record has been left blank; there's a dash in both spaces. As suggested before - employer and companion? Or just flatmates off on an expensive holiday? The address is actually Bispham Road, mistranscribed as Bupham Road.

She may have been listed as a secretary in 1935, but on her return in 1936 it says "None" in the space for "occupation". Perhaps the job didn't work out, and she came home?

In 1936 her home address is 129 Warley Road, Blackpool. Had a look at it on Google Streetview - nice semi, two floors and basement.
Langstone, Bispham Road doesn't appear online.

Her father Ernest died 1927, in Fylde registration district, and I think this is her mother's death:
Deaths Mar 1960 (>99%)
HOLGATE Alice 84 Blackpool 10b 597

Perhaps she could afford the 1931 cruise if her father left her some money..

jax

jax Report 7 Apr 2013 04:26

Her parents lived at 129 Warley Road

Ernests Probate in 1927 to his widow Alice Holgate £478 19s 10d

Alice's in 1960 address 20 Holly rd Blackpool to Olga Maude Holgate spinster £2127 6s 3d

Janet

Janet Report 7 Apr 2013 09:54

Also there might be no connection at all

perhaps she just had the book before he did? you know you hand them in at the end of term and someone else gets them next year and puts their name in/on

maybe your dad kept it because he thought it might be interesting many years down the line.( or like lots of boys just didnt hand it in !!

Jan