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many apologies Mark. I must need new glasses. I misread your opening post as probate 1919 not Eliz born 1819

How did I manage that??

I have a will for which probate was granted many years after the death. The death took place in 1786 and was not proved until 1827:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=2119&iid=32451_1831115182_0033-00252&sid=&gskw=Thomas+Hodder

I ordered the probate as I believe it would name his children which it has...

Reuben Downham father of Elizabeth Downham who married George Farrar...

so what is the relevance of the 1919 probate please Mark

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Edward Farrer
Name: Edward Farrer
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1851
Parish: Methley, St Oswald
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1852
Father's Name: George Farrer
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Farrer



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about William Thomas Farrar
Name: William Thomas Farrar
Parish: East Ardsley, St Michael
Baptism Date: 25 Sep 1842
Father's Name: George Farrar
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Farrar



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Elizabeth Farrer
Name: Elizabeth Farrer
Birth Date: 19 Aug 1847
Parish: Methley, St Oswald
Baptism Date: 30 Oct 1847
Father's Name: George Farrer
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Farrer



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about George Farrer
Name: George Farrer
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1849
Parish: Methley, St Oswald
Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1849
Father's Name: George Farrer
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Farrer



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Charles Farrer
Name: Charles Farrer
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1841
Parish: Methley, St Oswald
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1841
Father's Name: George Farrer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Farrer



West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Mary Ann Farrer
Name: Mary Ann Farrer
Parish: Methley, St Oswald
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1844
Father's Name: George Farrer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Farrer

Thank you ***alviegal***
I may of slipped up with relationship but definitely correct family

Elizabeth - my relation married George Farrar...

Elizabeth Downham 1819 father is Reuben 1779 Reuben's sister Frances Downham 1804 is my 4 x great grandmother

??

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: FARRER, Elizabeth
Registration district: Pontefract
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1857
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 9C
Page no: 40

a bit puzzled about the timescale here Mark

Elizabeth Downham was of full age on that marriage in 1840 ie born at the latest 1819 so her father would have been born around 1800 or before and yet his will was not proved until 1919???

??

William in 1851

1851 census transcription details for: Lingwell Gate, Stanley With Wrenthorpe
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2326
Folio: 623
Page: 9
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: Stanley
Parish: Stanley with Wrenthorpe
Enum. District: 1N
Ecclesiastical District: Stanley
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Lingwell Gate, Stanley With Wrenthorpe
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FARRAR, Maria Head Widow F 54 1797 Cattle Dealer Widow
Wakefield, Yorkshire
FARRAR, Edward Son Unmarried M 33 1818 Cattle Dealer
Wakefield, Yorkshire
SPEIGHT, Mary Visitor Unmarried F 74 1777
Wakefield, Yorkshire
FARRAR, William Visitor M 8 1843
Methley, Yorkshire



1861 census transcription details for: Lingwell Gate, Wakefield Stanley Cum Wrenthorpe
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3421
Folio: 42
Page: 20
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: 3 Stanley
Parish: Wakefield Stanley cum Wrenthorpe
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: Stanley
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Lingwell Gate, Wakefield Stanley Cum Wrenthorpe
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FARROW, George Head Widower M 38 1823 Carpenter
Stanley, Yorkshire
FARROW, William Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Carpenters Apprentice
Methley, Yorkshire
FARROW, Edward Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Methley, Yorkshire


11 year old George is in the next household.



881 census transcription details for: Leadwell Lane, Lofthouse With Carlton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4584
Folio: 71
Page: 41
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: Ardsley
Parish: Lofthouse with Carlton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Leadwell Lane, Lofthouse With Carlton
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FARRAR, George Head Widower M 59 1822 Carpenter
Ardsley, Yorkshire
FARRAR, William Son Single M 36 1845 Joiner
Ardsley, Yorkshire



1891 census transcription details for: Spring Well Cottages, Leadwell Lane, Carlton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3755
Folio: 73
Page: 39
Reg. District: Wakefield
Sub District: Ardsley
Parish:
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Spring Well Cottages, Leadwell Lane, Carlton
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FARRAR, George Head Married (should be widowed) M 68 1823 Living On Own Means
Stanley, Yorkshire
FARRAR, William Son Single M 44 1847 Joiner
Wrenthorpe, Yorkshire

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Day:29

Month:Nov

Year:1840

Groom forenames:George

Groom surname:FARRER

Groom's parish:Pontefract

Groom's condition:Bachelor

Groom's occupation:Carpenter

Groom's age:Full

Bride forenames:Elizabeth

Bride surname:DOWNHAM

Bride's parish:Pontefract

Bride's condition:Spinster

Bride's occupation:

Bride's age:Full

Place:Pontefract

Description:St. Giles

County:Yorkshire West Riding

Country:England

Checked:No

Notes:

Record source:Pontefract District Marriages
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That marriage - slightly different spelling.

Name: Elizabeth Dounam
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1840
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 22
Page Number: 343 (George Farrar

Sorry I miss wrote the probate included her - the probate was that of her fathers. Sorry

??

1841 census transcription details for: Woodrow Hill, Methley
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1269
Book/Folio: 3/15
Page: 1
Reg. District: Pontefract
Sub District: Kippax
Parish: Methley
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Woodrow Hill, Methley
County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
FARRER, George M 20 1821 joiner Yorkshire
FARRER, Elizth F 20 1821 Yorkshire
FARRER, Charles M 0 (3 months) 1841 Yorkshire



1851 census transcription details for: Methley
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2329
Folio: 62
Page: 28
Reg. District: Pontefract
Sub District: Kippax
Parish: Methley
Enum. District: 1D
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Methley
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FARRER, George Head Married M 31 1820 Shop Keeper
Stanley, Yorkshire
FARRER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1819
Buckland, Yorkshire
FARRER, Charles Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Methley, Yorkshire
FARRER, Mary Ann Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Methley, Yorkshire
FARRER, George Son M 2 1849
Methley, Yorkshire

so did she marry George farrah before Mr Downham, or was Downham her maiden name - in which case, why was her probate for Downham

:-S

Today I have received the probate for Elizabeth Downham b.1819 who it says married George Farrar - I checked family search and found the following details

29/11/1840 Pontefract, West Yorkshire, England

Please could I ask for help in locating any possible children for this couple

Thanks