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Karen Report 6 May 2013 15:35


Thanks for the link seems to be a problem with the site as all I see is blank pages.

I checked about 40 soldiers names from the 1901 census in Shorncliffe to see what regiments they belonged to in 1911, only found one soldier in the Loyal North Lancashire's. So I'm assuming that because they were both in the same camp in 1901 different camps in 1911 but same regiment that I have the right person on the 1901 census.

Thanks Karen


Eringobragh1916 Report 3 May 2013 18:26

Try this site.....

Search for Shorncliffe in all sorts of references to the various regiments who have been stationed there.


Karen Report 3 May 2013 14:23

Thanks Graham and Eringobragh.

That must be it...didn't think they could all be prisoners!

Now to try and find what regiments were there in 1901.



Eringobragh1916 Report 3 May 2013 12:15

Karen.... (1901) Abt 95% of the Camp where listed as inmates....possibly just a term they used ....


Graham Report 3 May 2013 07:57

Shorncliffe Camp contains a military hospital. Maybe the 'inmates' were actually patients.


Karen Report 2 May 2013 17:05


Can anyone tell me why some of the Soldiers on the 1901 census for the Shorncliffe Military camp in Kent were called 'inmate'



Karen Report 28 Apr 2013 14:25


I think Annie was her name not a nickname as she used it on the census, electoral list and marriage cert.



Karen Report 28 Apr 2013 14:22

Liam, didn't see your message with birth entries can't see anything there, thanks for looking for me.


Karen Report 28 Apr 2013 14:16

Hi Liam

That explains a lot it was known that Annie came from Youghal, on 1911 census she stated Ardmooe, Waterford Resident, and for daughter Eileen it stated Newbridge, Kildare Resident her birth was in Apr-May-Jun 1907
Registration district: Naas

All I can tell you about Annie is that her father is Michael Cotter decd by 1915 occupation general labourer and we think she had a sister Hannah.



Karen Report 28 Apr 2013 14:06

Hi Marie

We did have his army number 413 .... I never noticed that on the 1911 census.

If they can change regiments then that must be John on 1901 census.

Hope you are more successful than me on the army records I couldn't find John on Ancestry's army records.



Graham Report 28 Apr 2013 13:17

Anne Cotter
b. 1881
Cork, Ireland
Volume 5
Page 149

Anne Cotter
Cork, Ireland
Volume 5
Page 200


Liam Report 28 Apr 2013 10:15

There are 3, births for a Johanna Cotter in County Waterford
2 for 1880,
1 for 1879.
no birth for a Annie found.

free to search, but pay to view

1901 census - 37,Curragh, Ardmore.
Mary Coffer aged 12 grand daugher [ possiby Cotter mistranscribed ]

maybe connected !!!
taken from Guys Directory for Munster [ 1893]

Michael Cotter , Ardmore. / fisherman


Liam Report 28 Apr 2013 01:39

Although Youghal is in County Cork it is on the border of Cork and Waterford,it was also the registration district for BMD in parts of Waterford which would also include Ardmore, Clashmore.

Could these be connected to your Cotter's. ?
Taken from Griffiths Valuation 1848/68 for Ardmore.
Johanna Cotter , Lissarow, Ardmore.
John Cotter, Lissarow, Ardmore.
Patrick Cotter, Dysert, Ardmore.


MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 23:02

Hi Karen - the regiment number was just what was on the census.

They can change regiments - I'll have a shufti through service records and see if there's anything there.


Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 19:16

Yes Marie that's them.

And I think this is John on the 1901 census

Name: John Williams
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Canterbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury St Gregory the Great
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Canterbury
Sub-registration district: Canterbury
ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks Canterbury

Only thing here is he is with a different regiment to 6th D guards not sure if soldiers can change regiment.

How did you find out his regiment number?


Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 18:24


Like I said I don't think it's the right family, just can't get anywhere at all with Annie's family.

Not sure when Annie died but think it was S.E London maybe Woolwich as I have found her on the electoral Reg. up to about 1940.

John Williams died in 1924 Bromley.



MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 18:22

Just out of curiosity, is this her husband John in 1911?

1911 census transcription details for: Moolton, MOOLTAN & LUCKNOW BARRACKS
Military details: Pte 413 1st L N Lancs

National Archive Reference: RG14PN12063 RG78PN673 RD251 SD2 ED13 SN1
Reg. District: Pewsey
Sub District: Collingbourne
Parish: North Tidworth
Enum. District: 13
Address: North Tidworth Andover Hampshire
County: Wiltshire

Name Relation Condition/Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WILLIAMS, John Married ? 29 1882 Liverpool Lancs
WILLIAMS, Annie Wife Married5 years F 26 1885 Ardmere Waterford Resid
WILLIAMS, Eileen Daughter F 3 1908 Newbridge Kildare Resid

It's the same place as Annie and Eileen are. (I've now added them)


MarieCeleste Report 27 Apr 2013 18:14

Karen, I've been to Fermoy and it is in County Cork, about 25 miles from Cork itself.

Ardmore is about 30 miles from Fermoy and about 10 miles from Youghal.

Personally, I'd be concentrating on Waterford, not Cork.

I think the fact that Michael was a general labourer rules out the Fermoy man, who was a mason.

Did Annie die in Birmingham in 1951?

EDIT: Just checked my map and Youghal appears to be in Cork, whereas Ardmore is Waterford although they're not too far apart.


Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 18:04


Middle name is from relative.



Karen Report 27 Apr 2013 18:02

Hi Marie

I agree with you. I'm searching for a relative who seems to think that this the right family as he remembers talk of his Father's Aunt Hannah.

Annie was in England in 1911 but we don't know if the rest of her family stayed in Ireland.

Occupation on marriage certificate in 1915 General Labourer deceased.

My relative was told Annie came from Youghal not sure if that is in the Ardmore Waterford district where she states on 1911 census. Fermoy isn't too far away from Cork so he seems too think it's possible.