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John Poucher 1853-1912

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Rodney

Rodney Report 11 Apr 2013 14:36

Still trying to find the father/mother of this chap following an earlier attempt. He married twice, to Hannah Jane Wright in 1882 and then to Eliza Wall in 1895. One certificate gives father as also a John Poucher, stone mason's labourer, dec'd. Census shows our John born in Horsforth, Yorks., but no record anywhere of a birth in Yorks. Believe he was possibly born in Lincolnshire where most Pouchers originate, and moved to Horsforth. Appreciate help given last time but the leads didn't discover our John's parents - any more ideas?!!
Thanks,
Rodney Poucher.

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Apr 2013 14:44

father is john on this marraige

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about John Poucher
Name: John Poucher
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 40
Marriage or Bann Date: 30 Nov 1895
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: John Poucher
Spouse's Name: Eliza Wall
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Wall

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 11 Apr 2013 14:46

Birth year and father's name out but:

???
1881:
Name: John Poucher
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Poucher
Mother's Name: Fanny Poucher
Gender: Male
Where born: North Kyme, Lincoln, England
Civil parish: Horsforth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Bachelor Row
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Quarry Man (Stone)
Registration district: Wharfedale
>>>Sub-registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4333
Folio: 121
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
George Poucher 50
Fanny Poucher 54
Richard Poucher 26
John Poucher 23
Sam Poucher 14

1871:
Name: John Poucher
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Poucher
Mother's Name: Fanny Poucher
Gender: Male
Where born: Cyne, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Woodside St James
Town: Horsforth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wharfedale
>>>Sub-registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 4299
Folio: 38
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
George Poucher 41
Fanny Poucher 42
Richard Poucher 17
John Poucher 15
Sam Poucher 5

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Apr 2013 14:51

probably misleading but they are living in Horsforth although father not John
1871
POUCHER, George Head M 41 1830 Lincolnshire VIEW
POUCHER, Fanny Wife F 42 1829 Lincolnshire VIEW
POUCHER, Richard Son M 17 1854 Lincolnshire VIEW
POUCHER, John Son M 15 1856 Lincolnshire VIEW
POUCHER, Sam Son M 5 1866 Yorkshire VIEW

Piece: 4299

Folio: 38

Page: 27

Registration District: Wharfedale

Civil Parish: Horsforth

Municipal Borough:

Address: Workhouse Hill, Horsforth

County: Yorkshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Apr 2013 14:53

do you have the 1882 marraige cert to confirm the father ?

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 11 Apr 2013 15:03

Interesting Could George (1871 & 1881) really be John Snr?

Marriages Jun 1852
Garratt Fanny Sleaford 7a 689
Poucher John Sleaford 7a 689

The location of the marriage would certainly fit the bill of a son born shortly thereafter in South Kyme.

Lynski

Lynski Report 12 Apr 2013 12:55

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1315461

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 12 Apr 2013 13:51

Rodney,

I think you need to see the certificate for the first marriage as well as the second. If it really was a bigamous marriage, he may very well have lied about his details on the second marriage.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Apr 2013 14:14

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Chapel Hill
Church Holy Trinity
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 01 Jul 1855
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename George
MotherForename Fanny
FatherSurname POUCHER
MotherSurname
Abode Kyme Fen
FatherOccupation
Notes No Occupation was recorded on register

(above on below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

Flip

Flip Report 12 Apr 2013 14:26

The first marriage was to Hannah Jane Wright (I think) althougn on the census she is Jane H, so this is probably her death:

Hannah Poucher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Age at Death: 32
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 88 (click to see others on page)

Flip

Flip Report 12 Apr 2013 15:14

There doesn't seem to be any reason for him to lie about his father, unless he didn't actually know him. The one on the various census doesn't really add up - George is still alive (a widow) in 1901 living with son Sam Poucher.

There are obviously 2 John Poucher's in Yorkshire, because there is another death (1937) for one the same age as the one we've been looking for, but Rodney has his John dying in 1912.

First wife was Wright, wonder if there is any significance that one of the witnesses on the second marriage was A W Wright?

Added: When Sam was christened it gave father's name as George/mother Fanny, unfortunately his marriage to Ellen Stead in 1889 doesn't appear in the parish registers. Tried older child Richard, but think he may have died in 1883 - so no marriage for him either.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Apr 2013 15:47

(this below perhaps son of George and Fanny)

1911
POUCHER, John Head Married M 55 1856 Stone Quarry Man Delver North Kyne Lincolshire
POUCHER, Margaret Wife Married26 years F 55 1856 Boundary Leeds Yorkshire
RG number: RG14
Piece: 25838
Reference: RG14PN25838 RG78PN1492 RD486 SD4 ED3 SN135
Registration District: Pateley Bridge
Sub District: Dacre Banks
Enumeration District: 3
Parish: Hartwith with Winsley
Address: Summer Bridge Yorkshire
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dobson Margaret Christiana Wharfedale 9a 237
POUCHER John Wharfedale 9a 237

Chris :)


1911 (other)
PARICHER, John Head Married M 57 1854 Labourer Railway Wagon Builder Horsforth Yorks
PARICHER, Eliza Wife Married15 years F 42 1869 Perionett Staffordshire
WALL, Henry Son Single M 8 1903 Spinning Jobber Bradford Yorkshire
POUCHER, Hannah Daughter Single F 15 1896 Spinner Bradford Yorkshire
POUCHER, Doris Daughter F 12 1899 Doffer School Part Time Bradford Yorkshire
POUCHER, Elsie May Daughter F 10 1901 School Bradford Yorkshire
POUCHER, Lynda Daughter F 6 1905 School Bradford Yorkshire
POUCHER, John Son M 3 1908
RG number: RG14
Piece: 26845
Reference: RG14PN26845 RG78PN1542 RD498 SD4 ED35 SN100
Registration District: Bradford
Sub District: Horton
Enumeration District: 35
Parish: Bradford
Address: 10 Ashley Street Bradford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Flip

Flip Report 12 Apr 2013 16:03

Yes, that's the other John I saw Chris. Although their marriage doesn't appear to be in the parish registers either, I wondered if he was more likely to be George's son. That one died Pateley Bridge I think.

Wonder if the John we are looking for was illegitimate and invented father John?? Could be with mother but under another name if she married.

Flip

Flip Report 12 Apr 2013 16:07

The other thing, Jonesey posted a marriage for Fanny Garrett to John Poucher in 1852, but that is an Ancestry link and could be wrong. I haven't checked for them yet though.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 13 Apr 2013 13:06

Fairly new poster - friendly message on how to return to thread sent. :-)

Rodney

Rodney Report 15 Apr 2013 09:23

Thanks to everyone for their response to my recent John Poucher query. I am sorting through these and checking/following your suggestions. Much appreciation from this end!!
Rodney P. :-)