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NEED HELP!! TO FIND ROBERT JOHN EDWARDS

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Michelle

Michelle Report 11 Apr 2013 14:56

hello i am the great grandaugter of robert john edwards
i am researching my dads side of the tree as very little is known from his grandad backwards..
i cannot find anything so i am calling on the detectives in you out there who like a challenge
the info i have is
robert john edwards born 1892c died 12th sept 1957
probably from south wales area
i know he married an ANNE MORGAN from BRISTOL area of wales she was born same year.
thats it !!!
if you can help me i do have one photo

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Apr 2013 15:04

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Robert John Edwards
Name: Robert John Edwards
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1892
Registration district: Corwen
Inferred County: Merionethshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 321



1911 Wales Census
about Robert John Edwards
Name: Robert John Edwards
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Corwen, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil parish: Trefnant
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Ffynonfair Trefnant N Wales
Occupation: Gardener (Domestic)
Registration district: St Asaph
Registration District Number: 623
Sub-registration district: Denbigh 0
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 34159
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Ellis Edwards 41
Margaret Elizth Edwards 44
Alway Edwards 21
Robert John Edwards 18
Edward Ellis Edwards 15
Margaret Jane Edwards 13


FMP version...

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: EDWARDS, Edward Ellis
Address: Ffynonfair Henllam

EDWARDS, Edward Ellis Head Married M 41 1870 Gamekeeper Merionethshire Llandderfel Wales VIEW
EDWARDS, Margaret Elizabeth Wife Married22 years F 44 1867 Denbighshire Pen VIEW
EDWARDS, Robert john Son M 18 1893 Gardener Domestic Merionetshire Carven Wales VIEW
EDWARDS, Edward Ellis Son M 15 1896 Working On Farm Labourer Merionetshire Carven Wales VIEW
EDWARDS, Margaret Jane Daughter F 13 1898 School Merionetshire Carven Wales VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34159
Reference: RG14PN34159 RG78PN1973 RD623 SD3 ED6 SN110
Registration District: St Asaph
Sub District: Denbigh
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Trefnant
Address: Ffynonfair Henllam
County: Denbighshire
(4 children born and living)

Also on the census is written.........

Griffith Pierce Edwards son age 21 Groom.

He has been crossed out because he was "away" from home.


Here he is........


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: EDWARDS, Griffith
Address: 53 Erddig Road Wrexham

ROBERTS, William Head Married14 years M 38 1873 Fireman Wem Salop VIEW
ROBERTS, Fanny Wife Married14 years F 39 1872 Wrexham Denbigh VIEW
ROBERTS, William Son M 11 1900 School Wrexham Denbigh VIEW
ROBERTS, Nellie Daughter F 8 1903 Wrexham Denbigh VIEW
ROBERTS, Hilda Daughter F 5 1906 Wrexham Denbigh VIEW
EVANS, Charles Boarder Single M 24 1887 Groom Ross Hereford VIEW
EDWARDS, Griffith Boarder Single M 22 1889 Groom Corwen VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34060
Reference: RG14PN34060 RG78PN1965 RD621 SD3 ED33 SN151
Registration District: Wrexham
Sub District: Wrexham
Enumeration District: 33
Parish: Wrexham Regis
Address: 53 Erddig Road Wrexham
County: Denbighshire



1901 Wales Census
about Robert John Edwards
Name: Robert John Edwards
Age in 1901: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ellis Edwards
Mother's Name: Margaret Edwards
Gender: Male
Where born: Corwen, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil parish: Trefnant
Ecclesiastical parish: Henllan St Sadwrn
Town: Trefnant
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Asaph
Sub-registration district: Denbigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 5240
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Ellis Edwards 30
Margaret Edwards 34
Griffith Pierce Edwards 11
Robert John Edwards 8
Edward Ellis Edwards 5
Margaret Jane Edwards 3





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Apr 2013 15:16

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Robert John Edwards
Name: Robert John Edwards
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Registration district: Festiniog
Inferred County: Merionethshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 339


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: EDWARDS, Robert John
Address: 26 Back Maenofferen St Blaenau Festiniog

EDWARDS, Ann Head Widow F 45 1866 Croeslen Nr Carnarvon VIEW
EDWARDS, Robert John Son Single M 19 1892 Rockman Underground Blaenan Festiniog Meirioneth VIEW
EDWARDS, William Herbert Son Single M 17 1894 Stoker Qarry Loco Blaenan Festiniog Meirioneth VIEW
EDWARDS, Jane Lizzie Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Blaenan Festiniog Meirioneth VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34332
Reference: RG14PN34332 RG78PN1983 RD628 SD2 ED5 SN274
Registration District: Ffestiniog
Sub District: Ffestiniog
Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Ffestiniog
Address: 26 Back Maenofferen St Blaenau Festiniog
County: Merionethshire
(5 children born and living)



brummiejan

brummiejan Report 11 Apr 2013 15:20

Looks like you might need his marriage cert? Or do you have them on a census by any chance?
Jan

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Apr 2013 15:23

1901 ???
EDWARDS, John Head Married M 38 1863 Slate Quarryman
Talsarnan, Merionethshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Anne Wife Married F 35 1866
Groeslon, Carnarvonshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Adelina Daughter F 11 1890
Festiniog, Merionethshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Rob t J Son M 9 1892
Festiniog, Merionethshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Wm A Son M 7 1894
Festiniog, Merionethshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Anne C Daughter F 3 1898
Festiniog, Merionethshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Jane E Daughter F 0 (7 MOS) 1901
Festiniog, Merionethshire VIEW

Piece: 5257

Folio: 93

Page: 28

Registration District: Festinog

Civil Parish: Festiniog

Municipal Borough:

Address: 23, Park Square, Festiniog

County: Merionethshire

Michelle

Michelle Report 11 Apr 2013 23:02

oh my god !! thank you so much

so much info to go on
how do you do that?
my nanan is 86 now and ill and dos'nt remember much so this helps
you do not know how much this means to me and my dad
x
:-D

Mike *

Mike * Report 11 Apr 2013 23:54

You need his father's name from the marriage cert


Marriages Sep 1913

Edwards Robert- Morgan - Bedwellty 11a 146
Morgan Annie - Edwards- Bedwellty 11a 146

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Apr 2013 08:09

I have replied to a PM from Michelle, explaining how to order certificates from GRO.

Helen

Helen Report 12 Apr 2013 09:05

Transcription of Marriage from FMP: Robert's father was William

Date: 24 Sept 1913

Grooms :Robert Edwards
Grooms Parish:50 Glandwr St., Abertillery
Grooms Condition:Bachelor
Grooms Occupation:Miner
Grooms Age:21
Grooms Father: William Edwards
Grooms Fathers Occupation:Miner

Brides name:Annie Morgan
Brides Parish:84 Glandwr St., Abertillery
Brides Condition:Spinster
Brides Age:21

Brides Father:Joseph Morgan
Brides Fathers Occupation:Miner
Place:Abertillery, St Michael
County:Monmouthshire

Witnesses:William Morgan,John Henry Bricker

Michelle

Michelle Report 12 Apr 2013 09:28

you are all so brilliant!!
i have actually ordered a copy of the cert of marriage as my dad is so keen to see something REAL.

he only has one picture of his grandad( i will put on here)
my dads farther passed away when he was a young boy as many men at that time did with TB.
so his past never got passed on, if that makes sense.

and my nanan never remarried...
thank you and will keep you informed of updateds and please if any more info it is always welcome

Helen

Helen Report 12 Apr 2013 09:35

This is the 1911 Census for Annie Morgan- they living at 84 Gladwr St Abertillery

MORGAN, Joseph Head Married M 63 1848 Miner Hewer Ponypool
MORGAN, Sarah Wife Married35 years F 57 1854 Monmouth
MORGAN, Joseph Son Single M 27 1884 Miner Hewer Abertillery
MORGAN, Annie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Abertillery
MORGAN, Janet Daughter Single F 15 1896 Abertillery

Helen

Helen Report 12 Apr 2013 09:41

And this is the same family in 1901 living at: 47, Gray Street, Abertillery

MORGAN, Joseph Head Married 54 1847 Coalminer Hewer Pontypool,
MORGAN, Sarah Wife Married F 46 1855 Hereford
MORGAN, Wm Son Single M 20 1881 Coalminer Hewer, Abertillery,
MORGAN, Joseph Son Single M 18 1883 Coalminer Hewer, Abertillery
MORGAN, Annie Daughter F 9 1892 Abertillery,
MORGAN, Janet Daughter F 5 1896 Abertillery, Monmouthshire

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Apr 2013 09:43

1901 Wales Census
about Ann Morgan
Name: Ann Morgan
Age in 1901: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Morgan
Mother's Name: Sarah Morgan
Gender: Female
Where born: Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abertillery
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Abertillery
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 4936
Folio: 81
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Morgan 54
Sarah Morgan 46
Wm Morgan 20
Joseph Morgan 18
Ann Morgan 9
James Morgan 5 >>>>Daughter Janet on the image.


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Apr 2013 09:45

Are you sure your Robert had the middle name of "John"?

Michelle

Michelle Report 12 Apr 2013 10:11

maybe he was registered as robert john at birth but never used his middle name!!
his son was philip john( my grandad) who i never met but they called him john or jack.
and my dad is philip john but he only uses john!!
i think on the birth cert it does state robert j edwards?
be back on later just off to see my nanan as not well...
thanks for your help
:-(

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Apr 2013 10:30

Can't for the life of me find the 1891.


Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Beach Sarah Ann Monmouth 11a 80
MORGAN Joseph Monmouth 11a 80

1881 Wales Census
about Joseph Morgan
Name: Joseph Morgan
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Morgan
Gender: Male
Where born: Abertillery, Monmouth, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Cwm St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5241
Folio: 60
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Morgan 29 (Coal Miner)
Sarah Morgan 26 (Whitchurch Hereford)
Mary Morgan
Miriam Morgan 4
Elizabeth Morgan 2
William Morgan 1 month
Mary Beech 30 (Relative) Whitchurch Hereford

(Mary has been crossed out)


The 1911 census states that Joseph and Sarah had 10 children born, 6 living, 4 had died)


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 12 Apr 2013 12:28

I think you will need Robert's birth cerificate to find out who his mother was.

There are quite a Robert's in the 1901 and 1911 census with a Father William but i can't spot one where both Father and Son are miners.

Michelle

Michelle Report 12 Apr 2013 15:18

so the next thing is then is order birth cert
do you think this one may be it??
or is that just guessing!

Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Robert John Edwards
Name: Robert John Edwards
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Registration district: Festiniog
Inferred County: Merionethshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 339

Michelle

Michelle Report 15 Apr 2013 18:43

i have found out from chatting to my nan that robert and annie had children but nanan can only remember my grandads name which is philip john edwards and his brother oswald edwards where would i need to research to find further information on that..please

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 15 Apr 2013 22:53

Please can you give a date(ish) for Phillips birth and where?
Thank you.
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