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CATHERINE AND STEPHEN CAIN.

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Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 14 Apr 2013 08:09

Thanks for that Vicci .

Located another Catherine.....Baptism 16 August 1861.

Name CATHARINA KEAN
Date of Birth 14 August 1861
Address 8 NEWFOUNDLAND ST
Father JOSEPH KEAN
Mother JULIA BRIEN

Sponsor : Elizabeth Brien

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2013 07:11

Name: Catherine Kane
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: Dublin North
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 496
FHL Film Number: 101058

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 13 Apr 2013 20:49

Apologies Catherine I have just realised that you had done so....

I cannot locate Catherine either.

Catherine

Catherine Report 13 Apr 2013 15:46

I already posted the births for Michael and Sarah in my very first posting on 11/04/2013.

Also a birth for a Stephen, although name is noted as Keane, that seems to match, but still haven't found anything for Catherine?

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 13 Apr 2013 09:10

There was also a Sarah....Address Whitworth Place Surname in Baptismal Reg. "Keane"

Name: Sarah Kane
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 3 December 1866
Christening Place: St Lawrence.
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1866
Birthplace: DUBLIN,IRELAND
Father's Name: Joseph Kane
Mothers Name ; Julia Brien



Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 13 Apr 2013 08:44

Thanks MarieCeleste...as Liam has noted the BOG Records are held at NAI...
There were obviously other children of the marriage of Joseph and Julia..(if they were the correct parents)..

I have only found 2 so far...
Michael as posted above by Vicci.....they were living 4 Westworth Row at that time...think that may have been Westland Row/ Whitworth Row..cant find a "Westworth" Row
Juia b 15 April 1863...1 Nixon St.

Nixon St was a row of about 54 "Cottages" which ran between William Place and "Newfoundland St." Julia's address on Marriage Reg,
The area was part of the North Dock Wall of the City.
The family appeared to use St Lawrence Church...(Seville Street)...may be worthwhile contacting their archivist.

Vicci

Vicci Report 13 Apr 2013 02:33

i think that is supposed to be North City no. 1

Finglas?&
?Glasnevin,?North?City

Vicci

Vicci Report 13 Apr 2013 01:54

Name: Michael
Gender: Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place: 522, "NORTH CITY NOI, DUB, IRE
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1869
Birthplace: "north City Noi, Dub, Ire
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joseph Kane
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Julia Brien
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70139-8
System Origin: Ireland-VR
GS Film number: 101196
Reference ID: 2:1LR3SB8

Vicci

Vicci Report 13 Apr 2013 01:51

???

Name: Joseph Kane
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1845-1854
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: DUBLIN
Birth Year: 1833
GS Film number: 1483250
Digital Folder Number: 004620419
Citing this Record

"United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Apr 2013 23:56

The shipping lists actually only mention Liverpool and no other ports of embarkation.
Usually if people boarded at different ports it lists them in order but not on these lists.
Also, Mrs Lacy who is mentioned on the arrival worked from Liverpool.

Liam

Liam Report 12 Apr 2013 23:54

Minutes / Records, of Dublin Board of Guardians, are held at the National archives of Ireland,maybe worth a visit

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 12 Apr 2013 23:25

It may be worthwhile having a look if possible to see where the children actually boarded the Parisian as she also embarked passengers in Moville (Co.Donegal) which may be the key...

Mrs Lacey represented Board of Guardians for North Dublin

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Apr 2013 19:00

May sound odd, but sometimes coming forwards in time helps us work back.

I think this must be the uncle Henry mentioned:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Henry Cain
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Date of Arrival: 13 Jun 1891
Vessel: Parisian
Port of Arrival: Quebec and Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll: C-4538

A labourer. No birthplace given but, as with the children, he is ticked in the English column, not the Irish (I think they assumed ifn someone boarded a ship in england that they were English).

Catherine

Catherine Report 12 Apr 2013 17:19

My 17.06 posting was found on familysearch and relates to the birth of two children born to a Joseph Kane and Julia Brien.

I posted them because the names were very close to those given by Dianna and if they prove to be correct, then it will give at least, a clue as to where the family originated from, which is what Dianna is looking for.

As there is also a birth record for a Stephen Keane, correct date of birth, and parents names seem to fit and the same place of birth as the other two records (Dublin) I thought it worth posting as they could very well be the same family.

The marriage that Pam posted for Joseph Kane and Julia Bryan also shows that Joseph was from ? Kingston, which also seems to fit in with the immigration record so it could very well be the correct family?

Then again not, but worth considering.


Further info on that marriage record found by Pam:-


Husband Wife
Name JOSEPHUS KANE JULIA BRYAN
Address ? KINGSTON 1 NEWFOUNDLAND ST
Occupation N/R N/R
Father JOSEPHI KANE MICHAELIS BRYAN
Mother MARIAE BUTLER CATHARINAE DILLON
Further details in the record
Priest T O'DONNELL VIC
Witness 1 PATRITIO CAVANAGH
Witness 2 MARGARITA ?
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R 93 DU-RC-MA-104375 st_lawrence_mf_1853-1880_ma_0429


................just in case.

Dianna

Dianna Report 12 Apr 2013 15:01

Hi Flip.
Thanks for your help regarding Catherine and Stephen. The only document I have available shows that Catherine's marriage certificate show her parents listed as Julia and Joseph Cain. Obviously there could be a mispelling of the surname on the original documents in England.

There was also an uncle Henry Cain, brother to Joseph who emigrated to Canada June 1891.

Definately Mrs Lacey was the caretaker of the children and they were from The Father Nugent Agency.

There is also some reference to House of Providence (Montreal) run by nun's.

Any further help in tracing the family birth place in Ireland would be appreciated.

Thanks to all members who have replied to my request.

Sincerely,
Dianna.

Alemap

Alemap Report 11 Apr 2013 21:34

Interesting info on CCPS

Available online.

Golden Bridge: Young Immigrants to Canada, 1833-1939

Flip

Flip Report 11 Apr 2013 21:02

Dianna, what documentary evidence do you have to confirm their parents names please? And is there any more info on the parents on that evidence?

Flip

Flip Report 11 Apr 2013 20:56

That's a good find MC, but as you have probably already noticed many of those children listed left for Canada in May 1891 - so I guess the Cain children arrived after that.

I cant find them in 1891 with or without their parents in England though. Maybe they were brought in from Ireland for a short time before the party was organised to ship out.

Wonder if Catherine is onto something with her posts, although I'm not sure where the 17:06 post is from or what it relates to or even the date of the record?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Apr 2013 20:44

Have found Margaret Lacy b 1851 Ireland as a Superintendent Of Childrens Homes at 99 Shaw Street. Sadly the Cains aren't listed at that time.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Apr 2013 20:41

I think this clarifies:
http://jubilation.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/children/lists/lacy.html

Children From The Catholic Children's Protection Society

Extracted from documents found in the National Archives of Canada (NAC). You can obtain a copy of the document from the NAC by quoting the NAC Reference number.

The home was located at 99 Shaw Street, Liverpool, England.

(Note: Many of these children were sent to the House of Providence. However, there were several of the Houses of Providence in different cities and sometimes the city is not noted. Kingston was the main House of Providence used by this organization but they also used the House of Providence in Hamilton and Toronto.)

Mrs Lacy is mentioned on every record