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John Joseph Mindham

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ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 16 Apr 2013 09:16

I can't find Alice Clarke or her siblings Florence and John on the 1891 census. Though they all show up on the 1901 census. I wonder if they were living together somewhere that's been left off the census.

Helen

Helen Report 16 Apr 2013 09:54

Possibly your family??

Headline: VILLAGE NEWS.
Publication:Norfolk Chronicle
Publication date:Saturday 02 April 1898

"BROOKE:- The County Coroner (H.R Culley) held an inquest on Friday on the body of Alice Ida Mindham, aged eight months, the daughter of John Joseph Mindham, thatcher. Alice Maria Mindham, the mother, stated that the child had been delicate from birth, and died on the 19th ult. Dr. stated that death might have arisen from bronchitis. He saw nothing of a suspicious character, or anything to suggest there has been foul play. Witness did not think the parents willfully neglected their children. He believed them to be respectable. The jury returned a verdict of death from natural causes."

Mary

Mary Report 16 Apr 2013 14:30

So where is the Lucy (daughter of Robert John melton)who married John Joseph Mindham.
I can't find marriage or death or on census after 1891 when she is with sister Ann Hines.

The reason why John Joseph didn't marry Alice until 1912 was becuase Lucy was probably still alive.

Maryb

Penny

Penny Report 17 Apr 2013 00:22

if the other Lucy Melton from Docking married william charles mindham, then what happened to my Lucy Melton from Dersingham? or did I miss something. this is hard when there are 2 people the same name marrying people with same last names and born close in years and cities. wow. thank you for your help.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Apr 2013 09:45

1871
DIX, John Head M 38 1833 Norfolk
DIX, Elizabeth Wife F 33 1838 Norfolk
DIX, Sarah A Daughter F 0 1871 Norfolk
METTON, Lucy Niece F 5 1866 Norfolk (Docking)
Piece: 1858
Folio: 56
Page: 1
Registration District: Docking
Civil Parish: Docking
Municipal Borough:
Address: Fakenham Road, Docking
County: Norfolk

Marriage
County Norfolk
Place Docking
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 265
MarriageDate 12 Nov 1864
GroomForename John
GroomSurname DIX
GroomAge 31
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname MELTON
BrideAge 27
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename Nathaniel
GroomFatherSurname DIX
GroomFatherOccupation Shepherd
BrideFatherForename Benjamin
BrideFatherSurname MELTON
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname HART
WitnessTwoForename Ann
WitnessTwoSurname MELTON
Notes Married By Banns.father Of Groom Deceased.father Of Bride Deceased.both Witnesses Signed X


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Docking
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1217
DateOfBirth 29 Oct 1837
BaptismDate 26 Nov 1837
Forename Elizabeth
Sex -
FatherForename Benjamin
MotherForename Lucy
FatherSurname MELTON
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Husbandman

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Docking
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1372
DateOfBirth 11 Dec 1840
BaptismDate 03 Jan 1841
Forename Anne
Sex -
FatherForename Benjamin
MotherForename Lucy
FatherSurname MELTON
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation Labourer

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above link)


1871 (other)
MELTON, Fanny Inmate F 10 1861 Norfolk (Dersingham)
MELTON, Lucy Inmate F 4 1867 Norfolk (Dersingham)
Piece: 1858
Folio: 51
Page: 28
Registration District: Docking
Civil Parish: Docking
Municipal Borough:
Address: Union Workhouse, Docking
County: Norfolk


1881
DIX, John Head Married M 48 1833 Shoemaker
Docking, Norfolk
DIX, Elizabeth Wife Married F 43 1838
Docking, Norfolk
DIX, Sarah A Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Docking, Norfolk
DIX, Richard Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Docking, Norfolk
MELTON, Lucy Niece Single F 15 1866
Docking, Norfolk
Piece: 1992
Folio: 55
Page: 1
Registration District: Docking
Civil Parish: Docking
Municipal Borough:
Address: Fakenham Rd, Docking
County: Norfolk


1881
WILSON, John Head Married M 69 1812 Farmer Of 174 Acres Emp 5 Men & 2 Boys 130 Acres Pasture
Scarning, Norfolk
WILSON, Mary Wife Married F 68 1813
Dereham East, Norfolk
MELTON, Lucy Servant Single F 14 1867 Domestic Servt
Dersingham, Norfolk
Piece: 1990
Folio: 12
Page: 18
Registration District: Docking
Civil Parish: Ringstead St Peter and St Andrew Aka Great Ringstead
Municipal Borough:
Address: East End Farm, Ringstead St Peter And St Andrew Aka Great Ringstead
County: Norfolk

Chris :)

(just trying to look back!)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Apr 2013 10:15

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
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MELTON Lucy Docking 4b 299

(looks to be 1865 Baptism posted earlier)


Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
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Melton Lucy Docking 4b 300


(to order Certs., use below link, £9.25 each)


http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Chris:)

edits (apology to MC, who gave ordering details earlier!)

Penny

Penny Report 18 Apr 2013 20:38

ok, so my Lucy Melton from Dersingham was born 1867 parents: Robert John Melton & Mary Ann (unknown). in 1871 Lucy & sister Fanny were in the workhouse. Where were the parents ? were they in the workhouse as well? then in 1881 Lucy (from Dersingham) was a domestic servant on a farm. in 1883 she married John Joseph Mindham & had 3 children. in 1891 she is listed with her sister Ann & sister's husband Jacob Hines & Ann's first daughter Ellen. From here where did my Lucy (from Dersingham) go ? I don't see a death listed any time for her. I see yoou can find a lot for the Lucy (from Docking) which is not mine.

2. how would I find a list of the people that were in the workhouse in 1871?

3. I knew nothing of the daughter Alice,(b.1887) parents: Alice Clark & John Joseph Mindham. if young children died early in those days, why would they single out these parents for a trial ?

4. now I don't understand. if Lucy was still with John Joseph in 1887 & had Henry (but Henry died same year) & if Alice & John Joseph had Alice Ida in 1887 (died 1888) then John Joseph was with 2 women at the same time? -shame on him.

what about Florence Mable (b. 1888) I thought her mother was Lucy.

Penny

Penny Report 18 Apr 2013 20:49

I'm sorry I read the news about the daughter Alice Ida, but the date did not sink in properly. I was thinking she died in 1887. but I re-read it and found the date as 189. 8. I am so sorry. please disregard some of my questions. It was my mistake.

Truly I did not know anything about an Alice Ida no one in the family ever said anything. Thank you.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Apr 2013 07:30

Penny, I think you need to see Birth Certs...

Although there is a Baptism for 1865 Lucy, we don't have details on the other...


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(above link is useful, and free to use, but doesn't have all the answers!)


Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Mindham Alice Ida Loddon 4b 231

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Mindham Alice Ida 0 Loddon 4b 176

(above is reference for the infant in newspaper article)


The Baptisms of Florence, Henry and Anna (Lucy as Mother) are posted earlier by Vicci, also, Annie Isabella Clarke (daughter of Alice Maria Clarke)


Obviously there is more to unravel, but with 2 girls as Lucy Melton, born around same time, Birth Certs., are really needed.

Chris :)

(if you look on google maps, you will see how near each other these parishes are, all not far from Royal Sandringham Estate, and popular Hunstanton, seaside resort)

Penny

Penny Report 23 Apr 2013 23:12

Thank you