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Thelma

Thelma Report 15 Apr 2013 16:16

John Hack born c1837 Southampton married Elizabeth Taylor in 1863 he was a widower.Try as I might I cannot find a death for his first wife or her name.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Apr 2013 16:31

1861
HACK, John Head Widower M 28 1833 Labourer
Southampton, Hampshire
HACK, Mary Daughter F 2 1859
Southampton, Hampshire
HACK, Sarah Daughter F 0 (7M) 1861
Southampton, Hampshire
TAILOR, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 21 1840
Portsmouth, Hampshire
Piece: 676
Folio: 130
Page: 35
Registration District: Southampton
Civil Parish: St Marys
Municipal Borough: Southampton
Address: 16, Kings Street, St Marys, Southampton
County: Hampshire

(is this him before 1863 Marriage?)

Chris :)

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Apr 2013 16:31

1861 - already a widower
Elizabeth Taylor living with him as a lodger

Name: John Hack
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30

John Hack 23
Mary Hack 2
Sarah Hack 7 Months
Elizabeth Tailor 21

children's birh certs should give you mother's name

Fredk

Fredk Report 15 Apr 2013 16:31

For Reference


1851 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address 1, King Street
Parish Saint Mary's
District Southampton, Southampton
Administrative County Hampshire
Householder 1
Name William Hack
Age 53
Estimated Year of Birth 1798
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Laborer & Pauper
Birth Place Lymington
Birth County Hampshire
Householder 2
Name Jane Hack
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1802
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Chair Womam
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County
Householder 3
Name George Hack
Age 26
Estimated Year of Birth 1825
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Fireman
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County
Householder 4
Name James Hack
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1835
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County
Householder 5
Name John Hack
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County
Householder 6
Name William Hack
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1842
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County
Householder 7
Name Jane Hack
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1845
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County
Householder 8
Name Eliza Hack
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1835
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Servant
Birth Place Southampton
Birth County

Adeline

Adeline Report 15 Apr 2013 16:34

Birth of first child:

Name: Mary Jane Hack
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1858
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 20

This certificate will give the mother's name.

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Apr 2013 16:35

IS THIS HIM 1851

1851 England Census about John Hack
Name: John Hack
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Hack
Mother's Name: Jane Hack
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Southampton

Civil parish: Southampton St Mary
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1z
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 1669
Folio: 513
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hack 53
Jane Hack 49
George Hack 26
James Hack 16
John Hack 14
William Hack 9
Jane Hack 6
Eliza Hack 16


Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Apr 2013 17:02

his marraige to Elizabeth
how did you find out he was a widow, he was only 24

Name: John Hack
Birth Date: 1839
Birthplace:
Age: 24
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Taylor
Spouse's Birth Date: 1841
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 09 Jan 1863
Event Place: Saint James,Southampton,Hampshire,England
Father's Name: William Hack
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13761-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1041748
Reference ID:

Thelma

Thelma Report 15 Apr 2013 17:31

Thanks for trying.I cannot even find Stephen Warner(the other groom)
Maddie
He is a widower in 1861

jansmith

jansmith Report 15 Apr 2013 17:57

?? marriage
Name:John Hack
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1856
Registration district:South Stoneham
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume Number:2c
Page Number:85
names on the page
Elizabeth Chandler
John Hack
Frances Langton
Selina Phillips
Stephen Warner

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Apr 2013 18:03

the marraige posted by jansmith
father is James
Name: John Hack
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Selina Phillips
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 14 Oct 1856
Event Place: Botley,Hampshire,England
Father's Name: James Hack
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Maddock
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13655-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1041171
Reference ID:

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 15 Apr 2013 18:03

parents:James Hack
spouse:Selina Phillips

NameJohn Hack
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's NameSelina Phillips
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date14 Oct 1856
Event PlaceBotley,Hampshire,England
Father's NameJames Hack
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's NameWilliam Maddock


Wrong father for that one if above census is correct

Edit - Snap Maddie

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Apr 2013 18:17

just wondering if he was telling porkies as he was living with Elizabeth in 1861 and youngest child only 7 months old, can't find a female Hack death for 1860/1861
Maddie

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 15 Apr 2013 18:17

Perhaps one or two porkies told at the census, explains why there's no 1st marriage

spouse: Elizabeth Taylor
child: Mary Jane Taylor

NameMary Jane Taylor
Gender Female
Christening Date1863
Christening Place SAINT JAMES, SOUTHAMPTON, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date 1858
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Hack
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth Taylor

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Apr 2013 18:20

nice one PatinCyprus :-)

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 15 Apr 2013 18:25

Looks like 1st Sarah died and this backs up other Christening information. Thanks Maddie.

parents:John Hack, Elizabeth Taylor

Name Sarah Taylor
Gender Female
Christening Date1863
Christening Place SAINT JAMES, SOUTHAMPTON, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date 27 Jul 1862
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Hack
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth Taylor

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 15 Apr 2013 18:30

Can't see a death for Sarah so perhaps they just put the wrong year as it's about right month, just should be 1860, perhaps miss transcribed.


Edit - Sarah is 10 in 1871 census and Mary down as Mary J.

Mike *

Mike * Report 15 Apr 2013 21:16

Not unheard of for stepparents to be named on christening records.

I have 2 rellies who were born with one surname and christened with another 4 years later after a re-marriage.

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 00:00

Although John is recorded as a widower on 1861 census, does the marriage cert in 1863 bear this out ?

mgnv

mgnv Report 16 Apr 2013 00:54

Mike - I think you're mistaken. The purpose of a christening is to give the child their christian name(s). It has nothing to do with surnames. The typical post-1810 baptismal register has a column headed "Child's Christian Name" and a double column headed "Parents Name" which is subdivided into "Christian" and "Surname" columns. So if the entry said "John illegitimate son of" "William Smith & Mary Brown", you're left to guess what his surname is - in truth you're always left to guess, but the guess his surname is the one used by both his parents is the usual guess, and nearly always correct.

Similarly, birth certificates have no absolute connection with a child's legal name - I presume you've already concluded that (unless you know a couple of guys called Male Smith).

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Apr 2013 12:08

I cannot thank you all enough.You have found information that I could not.
Do not know how I missed that marriage to Selina in1856.
The baptisms in the name of Taylor came as a big surprise.
I will have to buy the birth cert for Mary Jane.