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I'd be delighted if someone could help me discover the background of my 4 x great grandparents Joshua and Ann Bates.

I have them in all the Censuses and have full details of all their children and descendants. What I am stuck on is their marriage and birth/baptisms.

I do know that Ann was previously Ann Clark since in 1851 and 1861 her widowed father William Clark (b. 1775) is living with the family.

In 1841 they are living at Matilda Street Sheffield with baby son Septimus born 31st August 1839.
In 1851 they are in Sheffield with four more sons and Ann's father.
In 1861 they have moved to Ecclesall Bierlow and Joshua is wrongly transcribed as Joseph.
In 1881 they are still in Ecclesall Bierlow with son John and his family.
They consistently give their place of birth as Sheffield and their dates of birth are pretty constant as being between 1816-1819.
I think Ann must have had quite a few older siblings if her father was in his late 30's /early 40's when she was born.

Many thanks to anyone who can take a look for me, I would love to go back further with these two families.

Beverley

do you have birth dates for Joshua and Ann?

is this the family?

John Bates in household of Joshua Bates, "England and Wales Census, 1881"Name: John Bates
Age (Original): 33
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1848
Birthplace: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Widower
Occupation: Spring Knife Cutler
Address: Ct 4 1 Solfernis St
Event Place: Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342119
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 4635 / 28
Page Number: 49
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Joshua Bates M 62 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Wife Ann Bates F 65 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Son John Bates M 33 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Grand Son John W Bates M 15 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Grand Son Fred Bates M 12 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Grand Daughter Lilly Bates F 10 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Grand Daughter Ada Bates F 8 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Grand Son Walter Bates M 16 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Yes, that's the family.

Birth/baptism dates is what I am looking for!

Thanks
Beverley

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Name: Ann Clark
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Nov 1816
Christening Place: Ecclesall-Bierlow, York, England
Father's Name: Willm. Clark
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02929-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6344903
Reference ID: 38

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Name: Charlotte Clark
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Birthplace: Eccleshall, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Schedule Type: Household

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Name: Joshua Bate Family Tree
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 04 Mar 1818
Christening Place: CATHEDRAL SAINT PETER,SHEFFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: James Bate
Mother's Name: Ellen
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00775-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 919328, 919329, 919360, 919361, 919362

That birth is looking hopeful, thank you Ann :-)

Sorry, not clear what the post re. Charlotte Clark represents.

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Name: Elizabeth Clark
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Female
Age: 63
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Eccleshall, Yorkshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-District: 1 West Sheffield
Ecclesiastical Parish: St James
Parish: Sheffield
Residence County: Yorkshire (West Riding)

Thanks also for Joshua Bate which is another possibility though I find it a bit unusual that he didn't call any of his sons James if that was his dad's name.

sorry -no year - thought she might be a sister - I'll look for the year

the year was 1851

Ahh thanks!

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Thank you for your efforts, Ann.
The Elizabeth Clark in 1861 is not the right one as she seems to have died between 1841 and 1851. I see there are two Elizabeths died in 1842 in Ecclesall, so one of them is probably her.
I have just found William and Elizabeth together in Ecclesall in the 1841 census.

I wonder if anyone can now find Joshua's marriage! :-D
Thanks
Beverley

Yorkshire Marriage Registers [1805

Wm. Bate, w., & Margaret Earnshaw, w

1813
George Gascoigne & Maria Bates, w.

1816
James Bate & Eleanor Seaton \signs 'Seten']

1823
t Thomas Rotherham, w., & Ann Bate, w. i Oct. „

1826
Thomas Bates, w., & Jane Flint, w

1831
James Bates & Ann Rhodes



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I've gone half way through this document - it's very lengthy and my scrolling finger is worn out!!!



be nice if someone else came on and had a go



:-D

Indeed :) I was hoping someone with access to the Ancestry collection of West Yorkshire marriages might see this.
I guess that Joshua and Ann must have married just before 1837, always assuming that Septimus was their first child and there wasn't a previous baby who died.
Thanks for your interest Ann.

Wonder if anyone on the site this morning can find this marriage in the 1830's, Sheffield/Ecclesall Bierlow?
Thanks!

It's on FreeBMD Beverley......


Marriages Mar 1839 (>99%)
ASHER Elisabeth Winter Sheffield 22 405
BARTLE Elizabeth Sheffield 22 405
>>>>>BATE Joshua Sheffield 22 405
BEAUMONT Robert James Sheffield 22 405
>>>>>CLARKE Ann Sheffield 22 405
GUNNELL Thomas Sheffield 22 405
HALL Sarah Sheffield 22 405
WALES James Sheffield 22 405



Edit: The marriage is not in the West Yorkshire Parish Records on Ancestry.

How can I have missed that???
Thank you very much indeed, Christina.

Actually I never thought of looking for Bate and Bate does not turn up on Soundex while searching for BateS. :-)
That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! :-D