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Hi Jan
Jax found one the other day.
Ann Connor born and baptised same day 20th March 1853.
Parents Michael and Jane Connor.
Not been able to find a marriage though and it is possible they married in Ireland.
I always thought that Ann's mother would have been called Mary or Jane or both as Ann's first daughter was called Hannah after Paternal Grandmother and 2nd daughter Mary Jane.
Thank you anyway for your time.
Regards Teresa

Have explored the address but doesn't help as far as I can tell.
Has anybody checked out Liverpool catholic baptisms? There are 2 with father Michael showing 1853-55 (and no doubt others later!) , but I only have basic membership so can't see any details.
Jan

Nudge up for Jan.

Hi Jan.
Have found certificate, senior moment, it was there all the time!!
It says, Ann O'Connor 22 yrs old, spinster, Card Room Hand, living at 7 Astley Street, Over Darwen, Father Michael O'Connor, Stoker. The St William Catholic Chapel, Over Darwen, 8th November 1875.Witnesses Richard and Mary Marsh.
Thank-you for the 1851 census, will keep it for ref just in case, also thanks for your help.
Teresa.

It's very tricky as you say, with such a common name, and even if him this doesn't help too much - occupation is dock labourer:

1851 England Census
Name: Michael Comar
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George

Patrick Carr 46
Jane Carr 46
Bridget Beatley 8
Mary Sealy 38
Richard Heykes 20
Joseph Mallin 26
Patrick Mc Guire 56
Michael Comar 30
Michael Comar 80

Have you found the marriage cert yet? Just wondering if you have an address for Ann.
Jan

Hi Jan and Gwyn.
This does look like my family, on her marriage certificate in 1875 Ann says she is 22yrs old.
The Mary Murphy 15 as granddaughter looks to be same one as 5yr old Orphan, lodger in the 1861, wonder if they sort of adopted her!!
She couldn't really be Michael's granddaughter and I have never heard of her mentioned in the family!!
Another mystery.
Thanks very much Teresa.

Jan
I read that as ...'Fireman in gas works'...which could fit the quest ?

Gwyn

Them 1871?? Michael's job is fireman in gas 'something', maybe fits with stoker?

1871 England Census
Name: Ann Connor
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
[Abt 1854]
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Michael Connor
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidans
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin

Michael Connor 58
Ann Connor 19
Mary Murphy 15 Granddaughter

Thank you to everyone who has helped me today.
Jax, I did wonder about them getting married in Ireland, but was hoping not!!
Thanks again to everyone x

As Michael was Irish maybe they married there?

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
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Connor Michael Haslingden 8e 172
CURWEN Jane Fylde 8e 172


This seems to be the only one I can find but I know Ann was born 1853.....but thought I would show you.


Regards Vera

Thanks Jax.
So many possibilities, its very difficult which way to go.
I can't even find a marriage for a Michael Connor/Connors/O'Connor to Jane in the year or so before Ann's birth!!
Teresa

Possable death for a Jane

Deaths Mar 1854 (>99%)
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Connor Jane Liverpool 8b 121

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Infact there are quite a few Jane connor deaths but thats the nearest to the birth of Ann

Jax. Thank-you for that info, can try and find a marriage for Ann's parents now. I know that Ann's mother died either in childbirth or not long afterwards, so I will try for their marriage and then her Mothers death, see if I can tie them in.
Teresa

Hi Jan , Can't be;ieve I cant find certificate!! date was 8/11/1875 At St William Catholic Chapel, Over Darwen. Blackburn Lancs. Witnesses were Richard Marsh and his wife Mary. Richard was Edward's brother, they were over there to work.
Teresa.

Hi Jan hang on a mo, will get the details

Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Ann Connor
Name: Ann Connor
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1853
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1853
Parish: St Alban's Church
Father's Name: Michael Connor
Mother's Name: Jane Connor

Hi Vera,
that is the one I think could be Ann and her Father Michael, but I cannot be sure, as Connor is such a common name and I don't have any more info on Michael except that he was born in Ireland.
Teresa

I know that Michael was a Stoker on a ship at some point.

I am guessing you have her marriage cert - if so, can you please say what her father's occupation was, names of witnesses and the address she gave?
Jan