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Thomas and Edward Chisnell

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Martin

Martin Report 18 Apr 2013 22:40

I am looking for any information on Thomas Chisnell, bap 25/3/1770, St Micheal Highgate, Middlesex; and his brother Edward Chisnell, bap 1771 Highgate, parents Thomas Chisnell and Ann unknown.

Thanks

Martin

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Apr 2013 22:48

Just for info

Name: Thomas Chisnell
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1770
Parish: St Michael, Highgate
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Parent(s): Thomas Chisnell,
Ann Chisnell
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Father was a carpenter

Name: Edward Chisnell
Baptism Date: 29 May 1771
Parish: St Michael, Highgate
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Parent(s): Thomas Chisnell,
Ann Chisnell
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Of Hornsey parish. Father a carpenter

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Apr 2013 22:53

???

No age given.

Name: Edward Chisnell
Burial Date: 2 Sep 1781
Parish: St Mary, Hornsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Haringey
Record Type: Burial
Register Type: Parish Register

Again, no age given..

Name: Thos Chisnel
Burial Date: Feb 1780
Parish: St Mary, Hornsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Haringey
Record Type: Burial
Register Type: Parish Register

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Apr 2013 23:04

?????

Name: Edward Chisnall
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1836
Burial Date: 11 May 1836
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Register

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Apr 2013 23:06

London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925

Name: Edward Chisnall
Birth Date: 1771
Admission Date: 1800
Father's Name: Thomas Chisnall

...Edward Chisnall, son of Thomas Chisnall citizen and goldsmith ....came before the Chamberlain the day and year aforesaid and desired to be admitted to the freedom of this city by patrimony, in the said company of [Blank] because he is legitimate and was born after the admission of his father into the said freedom...

Can pm you a copy of the image if you're interested?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Apr 2013 23:16

???
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Edward Chisnall
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Williams
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 30 Oct 1800
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses [Illegible] Wlliams & Mary Smith


The Edward in marriage below is a widower:


Name: Edward Chisnall
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Bebbington
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Sep 1814
Parish: Westminster St Martin in the Fields
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Witnesses John Williams & Elizabeth Taylor

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 18 Apr 2013 23:23

?????

Name: Thomas Chisnell
Spouse Name: Ann Hitch
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 19 May 1794
Parish: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses hard to read, James Drury or Davey and John Car---hill?

Martin

Martin Report 19 Apr 2013 12:40

Thank you. I am trying to find the parents of Edward Chisnall b 1771 who married Elizabeth Williams and wondering if it could be Thomas and Ann. I will have a look through the info you have kindly provided over the weekend.

thank you

Martin

Martin Report 19 Apr 2013 19:35

Kucinta

Thank you for sending that. I haven' seen it before, although I am not too sure if it tells me anything!!

In my tree I have an Edward Chisnall b 1771 - 1836 who married an Elizabeth Williams and then an Elizabeth Babbington. I understand that this Edward had a brother Thomas Chisnall born 1782 - 1856 who married a (Sarah) Maria Tolley.

I think it is possible that Edward b1771 Highgate may be the same person ... although he already had a brother Thomas bap 25/3/1770. He may have died young and hence Thomas born 1782 came along.

It is of course possible that "my" Edward born 1771 - 1836 is not a brother of Thomas Chisnall b 1782 - 1856 at all ...as there is a quite a large time gap ..11 years or so. If I remember I got this info from a will ... Any thoughts would be appreciated.

.. I was interested in Thomas Chisnall marrying Ann Hitch .. but this was in 1794, and I don't know who they are!!

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Apr 2013 21:55

I have to admit I don't have a particular 'feel' for this family, other than I felt (and you have confirmed), that the Edward Chisnall who married Elizabeth Williams is the widowed Edward Chisnall who later married Elizabeth Babbington.

In this instance I simply posted anything that might be relevant to the names you posted, in the hopes that you, or more skilled helpers than I, would evaluate it, and might be able make something of it.

The Edward Chisnell who became a freeman, was either a goldsmith, or his father Thomas was one (I found the phrasing unclear as to which one of the two the description belonged to.

The father of Thomas 1770 and Edward 1771 was described on the baptism register as a carpenter, I didn't know if this correlated with anything you knew about the family.

The baptism of Edward 1771 says 'of the parish of Hornsey', which is why I posted the two deaths in that Parish in 1780 and 1781. As no ages were given, I have no idea whether either, neither, or both, related to the lads baptised in 1770 and 1771. If the Thomas who died in 1780 were the one baptised in 1770, then it is quite possible his parents recycled the name for another offspring.

I was hoping other helpers would pitch in and help this thread get going...

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Apr 2013 22:12

You probably have this. On the image she is described as a widow, so I suspect she
is Thomas Chisnall's spouse Sarah/Maria nee Tolley that you mentioned previously.


Name: Sarah Chisnall
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1862
Burial Date: 11 Jul 1862
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Thomas Chisnell
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1856
Burial Date: 21 Jan 1856
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1782
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras St James
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Apr 2013 22:22

Thomas is described as a coachman on baptism of his son Edward in 1815

Edward Chisnall 11 Jan 1815 Thomas Chisnall, Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

A painter on baptism of Caroline, Eleanor, Mary Ann, Josephine

Caroline Chisnall 22 Oct 1820 Thomas Chisnall,Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

Eleanor Chisnall 27 Feb 1823 Thomas Chisnall, Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

Josephine Chisnall 27 Feb 1823 Thomas Chisnall,Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

Mary Ann Chisnall 27 Feb 1823 Thomas Chisnall, Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

He's a plumber and glazier for birth of son Thomas William:

Thomas William Chisnall 18 Apr 1824 Thomas Chisnall,Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

and back to being a painter for baptism of son George.

George Chisnall 3 Sep 1826 Thomas Chisnall, Maria Chisnall Islington St Mary Islington

Children pre1812 didn't have father's occupation recorded.

Ellena Maria Chisnell Baptism 27 Oct 1811 St Pancras Old Church, Middlesex Thomas Chisnell, Maria Chisnell

Thomas Edward Chisnall Christening 8 Oct 1809 St Mary, Islington, Middlesex Thomas Chisnall, Maria Chisnall

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Apr 2013 22:32

Chidren of Edward and second wife Elizabeth Babbington?

Father a victualler. Address Dalby Terrace.

Edward born Dec 25th 1816.

Elizabeth born Sept 9th 1815.

Name: Edward Chisnall
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1817
Father's Name: Edward Chisnall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chisnall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Elizabeth Chisnall
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1817
Father's Name: Edward Chisnall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chisnall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers


Father a publican. Address City Road. Birthdate Dec 13th 1817

Name: George James Chisnall
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1818
Father's Name: Edward Chisnall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chisnall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers


Born Oct 9th 1819. Address Dalby Terrace. Father a publican.

Name: Caroline Ann Chisnall
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 May 1820
Father's Name: Edward Chisnall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Chisnall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Apr 2013 23:00

Thomas and Sarah [Maria] in 1841:

Address: Grove, St Mary Islington, Finsbury

CHISNALL, Thomas M 60 1781 Middlesex Painter
CHISNALL, Sarah F 50 1791 Middlesex
CHISNALL, Eleanor F 25 1816 Middlesex Dressmaker
CHISNALL, Josephine F 19 1822 Middlesex
CHISNALL, William M 17 1824 Middlesex
CHISNALL, George M 14 1827 Middlesex
CHISNALL, Elizabeth F 12 1829 Middlesex
ELLSWORTH, John M 32 1809 Middlesex
ELLSWORTH, Mary F 22 1819 Middlesex
ELLSWORTH, Mary Ann F 1 1840 Middlesex

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Apr 2013 23:03

Same family in 1851.

I have to confess I was hoping he might have had a child of Edward's and Elizabeth's living or working with him, to provide a connection, but it's not gonna be that easy! :-(

Address: 23a, Georges Place, Islington, Finsbury County: Middlesex

CHISNALL, Thomas Head Married M 69 1782 Beer Shop Keeper, House Proprieter
Kennington
CHISNALL, Sarah M Wife Married F 62 1789 Beer Shop Keeper, House Proprieter's Wife
Clerkenwell, Middlesex
CHISNALL, Josephine Daughter Unmarried F 29 1822 At Home
Islington, Middlesex
CHISNALL, William Son Unmarried M 27 1824 Traveller
Islington, Middlesex
CHISNALL, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 At Home
Islington, Middlesex