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Middlesex Newspaper Search Please!!

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Chris's

Chris's Report 19 Apr 2013 21:13

I Wonder if someone can find info for me? In 1881 found my great grandparents in census in 1891 found nothing i was given info to say they died in a house explosion but dont know how to look up info! Their Names were George & Sarah Ann Williams think at time were living in the area of Middlesex dont know any more than that only other info is there were six people in the house that all died would really like to solve this mystery thankyou

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Apr 2013 21:18

Have you found any possible deaths for George and Sarah ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Apr 2013 21:20

Might be useful to post the 1881 census and explain who you have managed to find in 1891

Mike *

Mike * Report 19 Apr 2013 23:39

Please tell us from their ages in 1881, when were they born ?

patchem

patchem Report 20 Apr 2013 07:28

?
1881 England Census
George Williams Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah A. Williams
Gender: Male Where born: Bourton, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Harrow County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Street Address: 1 Keppel C Harrow Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 1358 Folio: 37 Page Number: 11
George Williams 36
Sarah A. Williams 25 Lynn Norfolk
George J. Williams 15 Wimbledon Surrey
Eliza G. Williams 11 Charlton, Somerset,
Herbert Williams 9 Charlton, Somerset,
Elizabeth Williams 8 Charlton, Somerset,
Fredk. W. Williams 1 Sudbury, Middlesex,
Annie L. Williams Sudbury, Middlesex,
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1358; Folio: 37; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1341330.

1871 England Census
George Williams Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza Williams
Gender: Male Where born: Bourton, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Charlton Musgrove
County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Wincanton Sub-registration district: Wincanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5c Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 2426
Folio: 68 Page Number: 13
George Williams 27
Eliza Williams 29
George Jas Williams 5 Wimbledon, Surrey,
Frederic J Williams 3 Charlton
Eliza G Williams 1 Charlton
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2426; Folio: 68; Page: 13; GSU roll: 835178.

It would be useful to know which ones still there in 1891 and where they were living, and for info. this looks like Annie's birth:
Births Jun 1881
WILLIAMS Annie Louisa Hendon 3a 138

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Births Jun 1879
Williams Walter Frederick Hendon 3a 131

Added:
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Births Dec 1869
Williams Eliza Georgina Wincanton 5c 500

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Apr 2013 09:51

I read the opening post as "in 1891 found nothing" so assume the explosion happened between 1881 and 1891.

Searching the newspaper archives for George Williams +explosion in the London area between 1881 & 1891 fetches up over 200 results so it needs to be narrowed down.

If Chris can confirm the correct 1881 we can then look for deaths of the names at the same time and then check the newspapers around the date of the deaths.

patchem

patchem Report 20 Apr 2013 12:03

I was having a look for deaths between 1881 and 1891 and could not see anything obvious. Only George died and remarriage of Sarah making her difficult to find? Deaths not in Middlesex as he has moved around the country?
It would be helpful to know who is Chris's direct ancestor.

Chris's

Chris's Report 20 Apr 2013 21:56

Member patchem & Member MarieCeleste

This Is the right 1881 census Thankyou

My Direct Ancestor Is Arthur Ward Williams born 1883 who was born after Annie

Been looking in census 1891 for Frederick J Williams, Eliza G Williams, Herbert Williams 1872 & Elizabeth Williams 1873 possibly they could be the relatives who died in the house explosion but not known if they were

Kind Regards

Chris

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 20 Apr 2013 22:02

When and where did Arthur marry and where any of his family witnessess

patchem

patchem Report 20 Apr 2013 22:02

For info:
Births Sep 1883
WILLIAMS Arthur Ward Hendon 3a 136

Chris's

Chris's Report 20 Apr 2013 22:13

My Grandfather Arthur Ward Williams Married My Grandmother Alice Howard on the 12/01/1929 West Ham Registry Office London

Kind Regards

Chris

patchem

patchem Report 20 Apr 2013 22:18

Had he been married before?

Marriages Mar 1929
Williams Arthur W Howard W.Ham 4a 531

Chris's

Chris's Report 20 Apr 2013 22:35

Member Patchem

Hi, I dont think so or nothing im awear of spent most of his life in the army

Kind Regards

Chris

patchem

patchem Report 20 Apr 2013 22:40

Have you got the actual marriage certificate to know if it says bachelor?
Have you got him on the 1891 census?
Thanks

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 20 Apr 2013 22:57

Is he shown in 1901 and 1911 as being in the military and possible in 1891 as nephew ?

Vicci

Vicci Report 21 Apr 2013 01:22

this might be it

no. 40 cirencester street Harrow


Western Daily Press
SERIOUS EXPLOSION
“... SERIOUS EXPLOSION. itttezday explosion at Cirencester Street, Harrow Boad, Iteration, ths private ... ”

First match of your search in this article.

Tuesday 15 October 1889 , Western Daily Press , Bristol, England


Sheffield Daily Telegraph
GUNPOWDER EXPLOSION
“... GUNPOWDER EXPLOSION. TWO CHILDREN TERRIBLY INJURED. About a quarter two o'clock yesterday afternoon an explosion occurred at No. 40, ...

Vicci

Vicci Report 21 Apr 2013 01:29

sorry , that was not the williams family

An explosion occurred yesterday afternoon, ' at *0. Ciiwioeeter-street, Harrow-road, at the private . house of Mr. W. E. Lucas. Two children, Percy I ucaa. 13. and Bertie Lucas, fire, bad been plavmp I with hra in tbe ftont kitchen, in tbe basement"

patchem

patchem Report 21 Apr 2013 07:40

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
Eliza Georgina Williams
Birth Place: England
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Father Name: George Williams
Mother Name: Eliza Flicker
Spouse Name: Charles Lord Manery
Spouse's Age: 40
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1864
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Father Name: William Manery
Spouse Mother Name: Sarah Jane Wingrove Manery
Marriage Date: 16 Jan 1904
Marriage County or District: Essex

Eliza Georgina was the daughter of George and his first wife Eliza, as in the 1871 census that I posted.
The marriage naming her Mother as Eliza Flicker would fit in for this marriage of her parents
Marriages Jun 1864
xxxFricker Eliza Mere 5a 369
Moores Judith Mere 5a 369
Silverthorne William Mere 5a 369
xxxWilliams George Mere 5a 369

1910 United States Federal Census
: Eliza G Manery Age in 1910: 40 Birth Year: abt 1870
[1870]
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Loxley and Roberstdale, Baldwin, Alabama
Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Charles L Manery
Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England
Charles L Manery 47
Eliza G Manery 40 married 6 years 2 children born 1 living
Mary E Manery 14
William J C R Manery 10
James H Manery 3
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Loxley and Roberstdale, Baldwin, Alabama; Roll: T624_1; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0010; FHL microfilm: 1374014.

The 1920 census might give her year of immigration to USA as 1906 or 1908, but does not help as do not know how long in Canada.

Flip

Flip Report 21 Apr 2013 08:05

Well spotted Pat - so brother Herbert also still alive

Eliza Georgina Williams Manery
Arrival Date: 18 Feb 1909
Age: 39
Birth Date: abt 1870
Birthplace: Wincanton Somersetshire
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Departure Contact: Brother Herbert Williams

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_53

States she arrived into Halifax April 1890 aboard Polnesia. Her brothers address was 72 Pape Avenue, Lemington, Ontario.

patchem

patchem Report 21 Apr 2013 08:21

Is this Walter Frederick, with a wife and a sister, in 1911?
1911 England Census
Walter Frederick Williams Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sudbury, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Enfield County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Street Address: 59 Bush Hill Pk, Bertram Rd, Enfield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Wood Sawyer Furniture
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132 Sub-registration district: Enfield ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 400 Piece: 7412
Walter Frederick Williams 31
Annie Lucy Williams 33 wife married 8 years 2 children born 1 living Epsom
Florence Lillian Williams 5 dau Stoke Newington
Mabel White 3 niece Epsom
Florence Eva Williams 21 sister Willesden
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 7412; Schedule Number: 400.

Added:
Births Dec 1889
Williams Florence Eva Hendon 3a 185