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1881 for factual background................

Person: ELLIS, Willie

Address: Altofts Lower, Altofts


ELLIS, John Head Married M 40 1841 Bricklayer Lab
Market Weighton, Yorkshire VIEW
ELLIS, Jane Wife Married F 38 1843
Skelton, Yorkshire VIEW
ELLIS, Sarah J Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Lockington, Yorkshire VIEW
ELLIS, Ada Daughter Single F 8 1873
Woodlesford, Yorkshire VIEW
ELLIS, Willie Son Single M 1 1880
Altofts, Yorkshire VIEW
WATERFORD, Isaih Boarder Single M 27 1854 Coal Miner
Harburgh, Derbyshire


LOOK at the boarder's name!

How could they? John was dead

I've given you JANE in 1891...........don't you realise that?

Many thanks.Please did anyone find a census after 1881 with John jane and family on

Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%)
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Ellis John 46 Wakefield 9c 8

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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Ellis Jane Wakefield 9c 104
Waterfield Isaiah Wakefield 9c 104

1891 census
Found by inputting Jane's forename and birth info ONLY

Person: WATERFIELD, Jane

Address: Altofts Lower, Altofts

WATERFIELD, Isiah Head Married M 38 1853 Coal Miner
Derby VIEW
WATERFIELD, Jane Wife Married F 48 1843
Skelton, Yorkshire VIEW
WATERFIELD, George Ellis Son M 7 1884
Altofts, Yorkshire VIEW

Piece: 3745

Folio: 137

Thank youall for your help.I dont know if this is the right place to put this now looking for family of Ada Ellis who married Thomas Knowles.I found them in 1881 John Ellis father b 1841 Market weighton wife Jane b 1843 Skelton children Sarah J b1871 Ada and Willi b 1880 Altofts Wakefield but apart from Ada cant find any of them after this.

If Alfred and Charles Knowles are with their grandparents on the 1901 census there is this marriage.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Moses Perry
Name: Moses Perry
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1895
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 108



Jane Knowles Jul-Aug-Sep 1895 Wakefield Yorkshire West Riding

Moses Perry Jul-Aug-Sep 1895 Wakefield Yorkshire West Riding


So I would think that Jane was actually the grandmother who married Moses as a widow as I think he was married before.

from Yorkshire bmd showing mmn = Harris

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KNOWLES Alfred Sandal Wakefield HARRIS SAN/62/61

baptism?

Name: Alfred Knowles
Parish: Normanton, All Saints
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1894
Father's Name: Thomas Knowles - miner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Knowles

living in Mill Lane

Thank you all very much.In 1911Thomas is living 6 Silkstone Row with Ada as was Alfred in 1901 with his grandparents.Lots to go on

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Thomas Knowles
Name: Thomas Knowles
Birth Year: abt 1863
Age: 29
Marriage or Bann Date: 8 Jun 1892
Parish: Normanton, All Saints
Father's Name: Thomas Knowles
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Harris
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Harris

Thomas was a miner aged 29, living at 47 Providence terrace Altofts
His father was deceased, an engineer.
Elizabeth lived at 7 High Street, aged 20. Father a fish monger

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Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
Knowles Elizabeth 23 Wakefield 9c 7

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Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
Harris Elizabeth Wakefield 9c 47
Knowles Thomas Wakefield 9c 47
MIDGLEY Thomas Wakefield 9c 47
Phillips Sarah Wakefield 9c 47

1891 census


Person: KNOWLES, Thomas Address: Pit Row, Altofts

NEWTON, Clara Head Widow F 33 1858
Bradford, Yorkshire VIEW
NEWTON, James H Son Single M 19 1872 Carpenter
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
NEWTON, George Son Single M 17 1874 Blacksmith
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
NEWTON, Edith Daughter F 11 1880
Altofts, Yorkshire VIEW
NEWTON, Isaac Son M 10 1881
Altofts, Yorkshire VIEW
NEWTON, Polly Daughter F 8 1883
Altofts, Yorkshire VIEW
KNOWLES, Thomas Brother M 28 1863 Coal Miner
Bradford, Yorkshire VIEW

1901 census

Person: KNOWLES, Alfred Address: 6, Silkstone Row, Altofts

PERRY, Moses Head Married M 66 1835 Coal Miner (Byeworkman)
Carwood, Salop VIEW
PERRY, Jane Wife Married F 67 1834
East Brierley, Yorkshire VIEW
KNOWLES, Alfred Grand Son M 8 1893
Normanton, Yorkshire VIEW
KNOWLES, Charles Grand Son M 7 1894
Normanton, Yorkshire VIEW
Piece: 4281
Folio: 80
Page: 11
Registration District: Wakefield
Civil Parish: Altofts Municipal Borough:

OK, so not with their father, but you should be now able to find the name of the mother

Thomas is a Widower on this cnesus


1901 England Census
about Thomas Knowles
Name: Thomas Knowles
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Halifax
Ecclesiastical parish: Halifax St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 4122
Folio: 142
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
James Mitchell 43
Emmaley Mitchell 39
Clement Mitchell 17
Annie Mitchell 15
Ada Mitchell 12
Henry Adams 75
Thomas Knowles 36 *****************
Ada Ellis 28 **********************

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The relationships are to the HEAD of the household - so Alfred was Thomas's son.......... try looking for him in 1901 with Thomas and first wife

Alfred the "Son" aged 18 in 1911 could be the son of Thomas Knowles from a previous marriage or relationship. Have you looked into Thomas's past?

Name: Alfred Knowles
Parish: Normanton, All Saints
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1894
Father's Name: Thomas Knowles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Knowles

1901:
Name: Alfred Knowles
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Normanton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Altofts
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Altofts
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Normanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 4281
Folio: 80
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Moses Perry 66
Jane Perry 67
Alfred Knowles 8
Charles Knowles 7

1901:
Name: Thomas Knowles
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Halifax
Ecclesiastical parish: Halifax St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Widower

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 4122
Folio: 142
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
James Mitchell 43
Emmaley Mitchell 39
Clement Mitchell 17
Annie Mitchell 15
Ada Mitchell 12
Henry Adams 75
Thomas Knowles 36
Ada Ellis 28

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KNOWLES, Thomas

Registration district: [?] Wakefield

County: Yorkshire

Year of registration: 1901

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 9C

Page no: [?] 125
MarriageFinder™: [?] Thomas Knowles married one of the following people Transcript
ELLIS, Ada VIEW
SYKES, Sarah Ann