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Jane Matilda Turner b. 1888 - St. Saviour

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Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 05:52

I am trying to trace my grand aunt Jane Matilda Turner b, 1888. I have only just found out that my grandmother has another sister and this is Jane M. I can find her birth - 2nd April, 1888. St. Saviour, Southwark 1d 35, but I cannot find what happened to her.

Tried to find her on the Census 1901 without luck; no marriage shows up and I cannot see a death under the Turner family.

Any ideas. I have had a previous thread (sorry tried to find the thread number) on my grandmother's brother Thomas Turner - under Thomas Turner b 1911 (his son) so there is some family information on that, but this is so new to me that it is a new thread really.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Many thanks,

Sappho

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 06:18

Could this be her.

1911 Census Record
Personal Information
Name Jane Matilda Turner
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Condition Single
Gender F
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Surrey Walworth
Enumerator Information
Address High Street Sawston Cambridgeshire
Parish Sawston
Town Sawston
Type of Building House & Shop
Number of Rooms Six Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN9143 RG78PN485 RD182 SD1 ED6 SN52
Administrative County Cambridgeshire
Registration District Linton
Registration Sub District Duxford
Enumeration District 6
Reference Information
Folio 103
Page 1
Piece 9143
RD number 182
SD number 1
ED number 6
Schedule 52

K

K Report 25 Apr 2013 06:19

Could this be her baptism giving dates? I can't see your other thread at the moment either. You should be able to find it by clicking the My Threads link at the left hand side of the page

Name: Jane Matilda Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1888
Father's Name: George Turner
Mother's Name: Mary Elizabeth Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St Christopher
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

K

K Report 25 Apr 2013 06:27

There is another bapt which could be more likely

ame: Jane Matilda Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Apr 1888
Father's Name: William Turner
Mother's Name: Amy Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Stephen, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 06:43

There seems to two Jane Matilda Turner's

Birth Record
Name Jane Matilda Turner
Year of Registration 1888
Quarter of Registration Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District St. Saviour Southwark
Registration County London
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 1D
Volume Page 115

Birth Record
Name Jane Matilda Turner
Year of Registration 1888
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District St. Saviour Southwark
Registration County London
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 1D
Volume Page 35

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 06:50

Hello from Christchurch NZ

K this is my Jane - my grandmother Johanna b. 1880 is her sister as William and Amy are their parents. Thank you.

Now why is she not with them as she was born 1888 - only 13 years. She could have been i n Service as suggested by Fredk. Thank you - did not think of that.

I have her baptism details which is what alerted me to her being a close family member, but what happened to her. Did she marry? Did she die young? I am puzzled as I have searched trees for her without much luck. 79 trees, but cannot find Jane Matilda connection.

Many, many thanks; any other ideas?

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 06:57

Fredk, Many thanks the second birth is my Jane Ref: 1d 35. As I have only just found out about her I will have to send for certificate - it takes about three weeks from UK to NZ so may have to wait a bit.

Trying to find out more in the meantime, might get a marriage cert to send for.

I also saw the Jane Matilda Ref 1d 115, but it does not match the born month. Date on Baptism gives birth date as 2nd April 1888 although both births are Southwark.

Would love to find someone coming forward as so far not got much further with brothers Thomas and William Turner jnr. my grandmother's brothers and Amy Turner's (sister) descendants have no idea about the rest of the family.

Help!!!

Thanks,

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:09

Fredk

I do not have access to the 1911 Census, but tht does look as though it could be my Jane. Is there any other information on Jane Matilda on the 1911 Census.

If it is her then I wonder how she came to be so far from home. My grandmother was so particular about her family - in later life she took out life insurance policies for all the family sisters, brothers and their children. I have never heard about Jane until today.

She turned up on page 64 Baptisms St. Stephens Southwark, Surrey Page 64. It was tucked in behind those on Page 46 of Johanna and Thomas. I got a bit of a shock that there was another sister called Jane.

I do wonder what happened to her.

Sappho

K

K Report 25 Apr 2013 08:15

I presume this is the family in1901? Minus Jane

Name: William Turner
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Amy Turner
Gender: Male
Where born: Borough

Civil parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Southwark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Piece: 364
Folio: 33
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William Turner 41
Amy Turner 40
Jerema Turner 20
Thomas Turner 16
William Turner 8
Amy Turner 6

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 08:19

Sappho

This is the full entry and the only one I could find. Of course it could be the other Jane Matilda Turner

1911 Census Household Record
Household information
Address High Street Sawston Cambridgeshire
Parish Sawston
Town Sawston
Type of Building House & Shop
Number of Rooms Six Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN9143 RG78PN485 RD182 SD1 ED6 SN52
Administrative County Cambridgeshire
Registration District Linton
Registration Sub District Duxford
Enumeration District 6
Householder 1
Name Abram Coulthard
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 41
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Occupation Pharmacist
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Cumberland Silloth
Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Coulthard
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 7 Years
Total Children Born Alive 1
Children Still Living 1
Gender F
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Beds Leighton Buzzard
Householder 3
Name Hilda Hart Coulthard
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender F
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1908
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Cambs Sawston
Householder 4
Name Jane Matilda Turner
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Surrey Walworth

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Apr 2013 08:22

I'm wondering if the girl in service is the daughter of George and Mary as her birthplace in 1911 is specifically Walworth where that baptism took place:

COULTHARD, Abram Head Married M 41 1870 Pharmacist Cumberland Silloth
COULTHARD, Elizabeth Wife Married7 years F 39 1872 Beds Leighton Buzzard
COULTHARD, Hilda Hart Daughter Married F 3 1908 Cambs Sawston
TURNER, Jane Matilda Servant Single F 22 1889 General Servant Domestic Surrey Walworth

RG number: RG14 Piece: 9143
Reference: RG14PN9143 RG78PN485 RD182 SD1 ED6 SN52
Registration District: Linton
Sub District: Duxford
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Sawston

Address: High Street Sawston Cambridgeshire County: Cambridgeshire

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:23

Yes, correct. You see I had trouble even finding this originally because I was looking for Johanna and see how they have spelt her name Jerema. Another time it has been Jemina. The family did not read or write - many a cross shown! My Johanna was the first to go to school and I have her school attendance record.

Meanwhile, we do not have Jane Matilda - I am so puzzled. Unless we can turn up anything I might just have to send for that birth cert to see if I am on the right track. It is funny because I was suspicious as to why there was such a gap between children as my Johann being the eldest child born 1880, then the gaps which was not usual.

So elusive Jane - where are you?

Thank you as always for your help - any other places I could look. I wonder as she may have married out of London but I cannot find a link to her in Marriages and Deaths.

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:30

Hi Marie Celeste,

Just checking something - back in a minute!

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:32

So we have two births Jane Matilda Turner born 1888. I have established one and eliminated the other.

The one that is probably my Jane M Turner is 1d. 35 as the months match that of the Baptism date entered officially. The other birth in Southwark also is 1d 115 is for the Oct/Nov/Dec period and is not my Jane in all porbablity.

Does this help at all.

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:33

Yes, K that is the family minus Jane - where is she??

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:36

Fredk,

Would Surrey, Walworth and Southwark be in the same area about. Cold this be an error?

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 08:38

Marie Celeste

I am using GR does another site give another 1911 entry for Jane Matilda Turner

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:41

If she is the young woman in service (which makes sense) what happened to her after that. I am very surprised we have no knowledge of her in the family and my mother never mentioned her.

Can you help me what are the Reference numbers given - to what do they refer and is that something I can connect to?

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 25 Apr 2013 08:49

Hi folks,

I have found a marriage - Matilda Jane in Bolton Lancashire,

Name Matilda Jane Turner
Year of Marriage 1901
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Bolton
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 8C
Volume Page 426


Possibly married John William Howorth - it may be a connection I am not sure. Just checking it a bit further. Do you think a bit far stretched to connect.

any ideas?

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 08:49

Yes they are the same. Boundary's were always changing
in county's around London