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Ok then if that is the case, your find could be correct and sh was in service with Coulthard family.

This is looking very likely as both MarieCeleste and you K agree on the household names. Wonder what happened to her after that? I would say that it would have been a bit of a step up for Jane in the Turner family to be a domestic servant, which I hope it is her.

Where to now, perhaps I should get the birth cert. But why no marriage or anything further for Jane - I am puzzled!

Afraid I have nothing positive to add here, just to say that, in 1901, Jane would only have been 13 years old - so unlikely to have got married then.

Also, I agree with MarieCeleste, that if you're born in Clarendon Street (which I think is now Law Street) you wouldn't say you were born in Walworth, on the census. Walworth comes under the borough of Southwark, but it's not exactly the same place.

So the Jane who is a servant on the 1911 census is probably the daughter of George.

Thank you Christina, just grasping at straws I suppose. I do wonder what happened to Jane - nothing just nothing that I can find. If you just put in the surname Turner its huge and then I have tried Matilda, J.M. M.J and nothing at all. Not even a passing - she has vanished.

A vain attempt at J.M Couthard just in case she took their name for a reason again nothing.

Baffled isn't the word.

Thank you so much - you really are a great team. I shall keep looking at this was a surprise to find she even existed!

Sappho

This looks likely:


England & Wales FreeBMD Death Index

Name: Jane Turner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Age at Death: 2
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 20 :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

OMG this does look like we have her. I am prepared to send for this certificate along with the birth certificate as I think this sad event could be the answer. I think this way due to the fact that she was not mentioned in the family stories and there was no insurance cover for her. How very sad on this ANZAC Day ops a tear!

I think ChristinaS. this is her. I cannot think or hope otherwise as I have searched and she does not appear anywhere - it had crossed my mind.

Thank you all, but I will send for the certs as it is important to me to have the facts and not any guesswork or assumption.

I have to be pleased as I have so much coming out of Russia on my family on my father's side that will keep my mind off this.

Many thanks all of you for the spontaneous replies with so much good information. It is very such appreciated.

From Christchurch NZ goodnight and thanks again.

Sappho

:-0 :-(

I was about to say that St Saviour is the church in Southwark so would fit with the birth/baptism and the death...having found another Walworth Jane census I had already thought she was maybe "the other Jane".

It's sad she died but at least it explains why you had never heard of her and why she's never found on a census :-(

HeyJudeB4Beatles,

Just getting up - this morning so good evening to you.

I think it very sad, but you know how you wonder about things and then with a little bit of help it all comes together. In the short time of an evening I found there was another sister and then found she did not survive infancy.

You are so right, without the help of all the genes helpers I should not have known anything more about Jane and what happened to her. When you start searching for your family you find sadness as well as happiness in the lives of those who went before.

Loved the photo of your grandad - proud times on the field I bet!

Thanks you for your comments.

Sappho

Sappho - thanks...

I never knew him - nor my mum's dad. But I am so proud to be a Llewellyn and to have the photo (and others) and the cap itself which is beautiful (and now 112 years old). And it is a rugby league cap which, given the age, makes it all the more special.

But at least you knew she was and never was so to speak.

It is one of the things I have found so informing and yet infuriating in the 1911 census. They asked how many live births, living children and dead children

And as a result I have huge holes in families where children have been born and died between censuses...to date I have spent about £100 on "punts"!!!!!!

HeyJudeB4Beatles,

Well still trying to trace my Gt. grandfather Povey's birth; got his marriage and death cert, but no birth. He is on the Census for 1880 with my Gt. grandmother and their only child my grandfather Thomas Charles. On this Census says he was born Brighton, Sussex. Spent 70 pounds on incorrect certs and posted information on here and all to no avail. Went to all lengths and could not find his birth in 1858/1859 with all stops pulled out by helpers and we came to the conclusion he was just not registered.

He put on his marriage certificate that his father's name was Charles Henry Povey, but again could not find a link. Sometimes you just have to move on and say he was elusive. I did find a Thomas Henry Povey in the Boys Home in Brighton, but who knows if it was him. This one came from Ireland, which may well be him, but a needle in a haystack situation so have left it until I am less busy on the Russian side.

Would you believe that due to their situation before the revolution I am having more luck than UK - full letters, personal handwrittten applications for this and that - full work history at the Vintorg Wine and Spirits shop (still producing Vodka) and pre-Soviet history of family life, etc. Enormous amount of information, but all in Russian language of course. I have approached Genes to research going into the Baltic and Russian states with all that entails as I feel there is a gap that genes could pick up on. This is because there were so many who escaped the revolution and entered UK changed their names and now wish to trace their relatives and roots. No response!!

What about that Cap then - WOW is the word on that - any history to go with it?

Thanks so much for sharing this with me and again to all those helpers who continue to share their knowledge with those requesting help - soooooooooo appreciated.

Sappho