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What happened to my great, great grandfather?

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Justine

Justine Report 27 Apr 2013 12:02

Can someone please help me!
According to an article that my father found about my great, great grandmother (Mary Williams), My great great grandfather Daniel Williams was appointed station master at Ely (Cardiff) in1867 and was killed on the railways in 1876. Leaving a wife and 7 children. (How and when, did he die?)
I have found them in the 1871 census, with 4 children.
In the 1881 census I've found Mary with her 7 children, but the youngest Ethel is only 1.
In the 1891 Census Mary, now re married, still lists Ethel as being born in 1880. I'm really confused and would like some help or guidence to solve this mystery!

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Apr 2013 12:21

Might this match for age? If so, might be worth taking a chance and getting the cert:

Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%)
Williams Daniel 27 Cardiff 11a 201

Jan

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Apr 2013 12:24

Please can you post the 1871 census you found, to give us an idea of ages, etc?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Apr 2013 12:26

Obviously not him above! Just putting for reference:

1871 Wales Census
Name: Daniel Williams
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Redwick, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llandaff
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Ely
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff

Daniel Williams 37
Mary Williams 28
Amelia A Williams 7
Charles W Williams 4
William G Williams 3
Annie L Williams 10 Months
Charlotte Crowden 13
William Roberts 19
James Wilcomb 22

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Apr 2013 12:28

sounds like she had Ethel illegitimately

her birth

Births Dec 1879
Williams Ethel Margaret Cardiff 11a 233


Llandaff came under Cardiff reg district
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1881 Wales Census about Ethel M. Williams
Name: Ethel M. Williams
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: (7) Station Terrace Glyn Teg
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5290
Folio: 35
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Williams 38
Amelia A. Williams 17
Charles W. Williams 14
William G. Williams 13
Annie L. Williams 10
Emily M. Williams 8
Mabel M. Williams 6
Ethel M. Williams 1
Amelia Griffiths 67 mother!

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5290; Folio: 35; Page: 12; GSU roll: 1342273.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Apr 2013 12:28


1881 Wales Census about Mary Williams
Name: Mary Williams
[Mary Griffiths]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Amelia Griffiths
Gender: Female
Where born: Langannech, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: (7) Station Terrace Glyn Teg
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Merchant

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5290
Folio: 35
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Williams 38
Amelia A. Williams 17
Charles W. Williams 14
William G. Williams 13
Annie L. Williams 10
Emily M. Williams 8
Mabel M. Williams 6
Ethel M. Williams 1
Amelia Griffiths 67

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Apr 2013 12:31

Only other possibles, assuming he died in Glamorgan - but I suppose he could have been anywhere!

Name: Daniel Williams
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1878
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 193

Name: Daniel Williams
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1877
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 351

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Apr 2013 12:34

Marriages Jun 1861
Williams Daniel Cardiff 11a 353
GRIFFITHS Mary Cardiff 11a 353

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 27 Apr 2013 13:22

I would think it most likely that Ethel was the daughter of Daniel Williams. I have found a newspaper article relating to his death in December 1878.

Ethel's birth was registered in the last quarter of 1879. so she could have been born any time from August 1879.

I'll type out the article.

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Apr 2013 13:25




Found on FMP -

Birmingham Daily Post - 23rd December 1878

'Daniel Williams, Station Master at Ely, near Cardiff, on the Great Western Railway, was knocked down on Friday and killed in the fog by an up parcel train going at the rate of 30 miles an hour. The body was carried in the works of the engine for 40 yards and was frightfully disfigured. Deceased had been attending to a down train and was crossing the line when the occurrence took place'


(NOTE: 23rd December 1878 was a Monday, so the death occurred on Friday, 20th December 1878)




EDIT - sorry Christina - looks like we found it about the same time

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 27 Apr 2013 13:29

An inquest was opened yesterday in Cardiff concerning the accidental deaths of two men during a fog in the neighbourhood of the town. In one case the Station Master at Ely, on the Great Western Railway, was killed by a special parcels train........

It doesn't mention his name.

The article is dated Tuesday 24th December 1878.

From the 19th Century British Library Newspapers collection.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Apr 2013 13:30

Looks like the first of the 2 deaths above is likely to be him - but with that info from the article you don't really need the cert do you!
How tragic for him & his family.
Jan

Choccy

Choccy Report 27 Apr 2013 13:36



Have sent Justine a copy of a more comprehensive report from the Western Mail dated 21st December 1878.


Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 27 Apr 2013 13:36

Snap Choccy. :-)

Found another article under the page heading 'Afghan War 'of all things.

This contains even more information, to be honest it makes quite distressing reading.

THE AFGHAN WAR .
Western Mail (Cardiff, Wales), Saturday, December 21, 1878; Issue 3003.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Apr 2013 14:05

So guess this is his death maybe - one of the two posted above

Deaths Dec 1878 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Daniel 45 Cardiff 11a 193

I'd get Ethel's birth certificate if I were you!

Jude

Justine

Justine Report 27 Apr 2013 14:47

Thank you everyone for your help in answering my queston. What a sad story and what a horrible way to go!
I shall now chase up the articles and Ethel's birth cert.
Justine

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Apr 2013 15:26

Burial
Forenames:DANIEL
Surname:WILLIAMS
Abode:ELY STATION
Day Month:26DEC
Year:1878
Age:45
Status:
Father:
Mother:
Parish:LLANDAFF CATHEDRAL
Record source:Glamorgan Burial Index

Chris :)