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thankyoy K

This could be Ann in 1871 - Edit although I am not convinced. There appears be a christening for an Ann in 1853 on Family Search with parents Richard and Mary Ramm but only a birth of a Female Ramm with no first name on FreeBMD

Name: A Ramm
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Inglethorpe, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: East Rudham
Town: East Rudham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Docking
Sub-registration district: Docking
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 1858
Folio: 110
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis G Wilson 45
S D Wilson 46
D R E Wilson 9
C M Wilson 3
S D S Wilson 47
L L D Wilson 20
E Boob 37
A Ramm 17

In 1871 Ann appears to be missing from the family

Name: Richard Ramm
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ramm
Gender: Male
Where born: Houghton, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Houghton
Town: Houghton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Docking
Sub-registration district: Docking
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 1858
Folio: 147
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Ramm 56
Mary Ramm 45
Esther Ramm 20
Thomas Ramm 16
Sarah Ramm 13
Henry Ramm 11
Ephriam Ramm 9
Richard Ramm 6
Abraham Ramm 4
Walter Ramm 7
Robert Pearce 17
John Pearce 26

If the 1861 with mother Easter/Esther is the correct one then Mary Ann was born before the marriage in 1858.

Could this be her birth?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Ann Sharpe
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1856
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 434

Personally, I think it's the Norfolk one immediately above that K posted.

Was Richard Ram listed as an ag lab in Mary Ann's marriage cert?

There is this family in 1861 where the image could well be Ramm and Mary Ann could possibly be listed as Ann as her mother was Mary.

Name: Ann Ranson
[Ann Ramm]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Ranson
Mother's Name: Mary Ranson
Gender: Female
Where born: Reedham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Houghton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Docking
Sub-registration district: Docking
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 1250
Folio: 146
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Ranson 46 Ag Lab
Mary Ranson 34
Jane Ranson 14
Esther Ranson 11
Ann Ranson 8
Thomas Ranson 5
Sarah Ranson 4
Henry Ranson 2

Thanks Correct Marie...

Come out from under the chair :-D We all make mistakes.

For background, is it the same Henry Caley as here?
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323812

(Just so people don't start looking up his family, too)

You can come out from under the chair now to tell us what Richard's occupation was.

That's the one K but I am going to run and hide under a chair now I gave you the wrong father it should of been Richard soo sorry

Is this the marriage and the couple in 1901?

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
>>Caley Henry Holbeach 7a 717
Greenall Arabella Holbeach 7a 717
Payne Frederick Holbeach 7a 717
>>RAM Mary Ann Holbeach 7a 717

Name: Mary Ann Caley
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Caley
Gender: Female
Where born: New Houlton, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Long Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Long Sutton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Holbeach
Sub-registration district: Long Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Piece: 3037
Folio: 78
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Caley 50
Mary Ann Caley 50
George Henry Caley 23
Harry Caley 15
Sydney Caley 13
Ephraim Caley 11
Frank Caley 9
Gladys Caley 6
Claude Caley 3

Tha fathers name was on the marriage certificate

The wife in the 1861 census that Mike first posted appears to have married a Henry Rans

Marriages Jun 1858
Rans Henry Bury St. E. 4a 693
Sharpe Esther Bury St E 4a 693

I can't see a birth at the appropriate time for a Mary Ann Ram. Did she marry?

Kay

1871 with children

Name: Edward Ramm
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Ramm
Gender: Male
Where born: Houghton, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Houghton
Town: Houghton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Docking
Sub-registration district: Docking

Edward Ramm 47
Caroline Ramm 47
George Ramm 20
William Ramm 16
Edward Ramm 14
Frederick Ramm 12
Elizabeth Ramm 9

There are quite a few trees on Anst for the family of Edward and Caroline Ram/Ramm, but not one shows a child Mary Ann.

Please give more information.

Did you get her birth and father's name from her marriage certificate ?

Ann that could be her siblings? can you see her birth

Unlikely this one fathered a child in 1856

1861


Name: Edward Ramm
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Nephew <<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Houghton, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Houghton
Ecclesiastical parish: Docking
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Field Barn House

Registration district: Docking
Sub-registration district: Docking


John Ramm 57
Mary Ramm 55
Edward Ramm 16

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William Ramm
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1855 Houghton, Norfolk
residence: 1871 Houghton, Houghton, Norfolk, England
parents:Edward Ramm, Caroline Ramm

Edward Ramm
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1857 Houghton, Norfolk
residence: 1871 Houghton, Houghton, Norfolk, England
parents:Edward Ramm, Caroline Ramm

Frederick Ramm
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1859 Houghton, Norfolk
residence: 1871 Houghton, Houghton, Norfolk, England
parents:Edward Ramm, Caroline Ramm

Elizabeth Ramm
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1862 Houghton, Norfolk
residence: 1871 Houghton, Houghton, Norfolk, England
parents:Edward Ramm, Caroline Ramm

not sure where is Houghton? or New Houghton

connection?

Name: Ann Ramm
Age (Original): 24
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1857
Birthplace: Gt Massingham, Norfolk, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Sons Wife
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:
Address: Houghton Village
Event Place: New Houghton, Norfolk, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341480
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1992 / 139
Page Number: 4
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Sarah Ramm F 59 Houghton, Norfolk, England
Son Robert Ramm M 28 Houghton, Norfolk, England
Sons Wife Ann Ramm F 24 Gt Massingham, Norfolk, England
Visitor Mary Ann Balders F 50 Gt Massingham, Norfolk, England