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Bea

Bea Report 29 Apr 2013 17:06

Has anyone come across Bartholemew Wool b c1830?

safc

safc Report 29 Apr 2013 17:11

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Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - BANTRY

Baptism of BARTHW WOOL of N/R on 25 May 1835

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Name BARTHW WOOL
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father THOS WOOL
Mother MARY HARRINGTON
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Child Denomination RC
Sponsor 1 DANL HARRINGTON
Sponsor 2 MARGT HOOLIHAN
Recorded Diocesan Area CORK & ROSS
Recorded Parochial Area BANTRY
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Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R N/R CR-RC-BA-290784 cork & ross.bantry.p4802.00649

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Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Apr 2013 17:15

Could this be relevant?

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958 about Bartholomew Wool
Name: Bartholomew Wool
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Death Age: 73
Registration district: Cork
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 95
FHL Film Number: 0101604

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Apr 2013 17:16

.............or this?

U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project) about Bartholomew Wool
Name: Bartholomew Wool
Birth Date: 4 Sep 1836
Birth Place: Ireland
Age at event: 47
Court District: Connecticut
Date of Action: 15 May 1884

safc

safc Report 29 Apr 2013 17:24

????

Name: Bartholomew Woole
Birth Date: 1839
Birthplace:
Age: 28
Spouse's Name: Mary Driscoll
Spouse's Birth Date: 1845
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 28 Feb 1867
Event Place: Goleen, Cork, Ireland
Father's Name: Thomas Woole
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Denis Driscoll
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01384-0
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 101508
Reference ID: 817

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Apr 2013 17:32

Hello Bea, welcome to the boards.

A little more info as to how you connected to him would be useful ...... Names of parents, spouse, children, birthplace - whatever you have.

Have you used the "Search Trees" facility to seeif anyone else has him in their tree.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 30 Apr 2013 11:27

New poster - friendly message on how to return to thread sent. :-)

Bea

Bea Report 30 Apr 2013 22:40

Thank you very much for your replies.

The only information I have on Bartholemew is his son's marriage certificate in 1881 on which he is entered as deceased. His son was Edwin John Wool born Shoreditch in London about 1852. I don't know who was Edwin's mother. I seem to have hit a dead-end.

I've searched the trees in Genes Reunited with no success.

The birth date of the Irish Bartholemew Wool seems a good match. I wonder if he came over to England, made an unfortunate marriage, then scarpared! He was down as a labourer on the son's marriage cert.

I am afraid that I cannot find his son's birth either.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 30 Apr 2013 22:50

Just posting the son's marriage record as something to work from. Age on marriage implies 1857:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Edwin John Wool - machine driller
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 31
Spouse Name: Alic Hunt
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Apr 1888
Parish: Southwark St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Bartholmew Wool
Spouse Father Name: William Hunt
Register Type: Parish Register

Bride and groom both resided Southwark and neither married before. Both fathers deceased.

Witnesses: Richard William Day and Minnie Day.

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 May 2013 08:49

As there were no penalties for not registering births before 1875, many went unrecorded.

Try looking for a baptism for Edwin

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 May 2013 08:52

You need to re-think Edwin's birth year

1891 census
Person: WOOL, Edwin J

Address: Spring Side, Netteswell

WOOL, Edwin J Head Married M 33 1858 Marine Coppersmith
Shoreditch, Middlesex VIEW
WOOL, Alice Wife Married F 30 1861
Poplar, Middlesex VIEW
WOOL, Catherine Daughter F 2 1889
Borough VIEW
MUNN, Clementina Mother In Law Widow F 54 1837
Poplar, Middlesex VIEW
LOCK, William Boarder Single M 23 1868 Iron Turner
Birmingham, Warwickshire VIEW
GRAY, John Boarder Married M 40 1851 Brass Finisher
Glasgow, Scotland

Bea

Bea Report 2 May 2013 22:30

Thank you for your posts and to Cynthia for showing me how to navigate.

Edwin J Wool had been married before 1888. He married Emily Davey at St. Swithern's Church, East Grinstead, Sussex, on 19 Nov 1881. Emily died in 1918.
Edwin gave his age as 29 on the marriage cert.

By 1888 he had only aged 2 years in 7! Alice and Edwin's daughter Catherine was born in the fourth quarter of 1888 so Alice was pregnant when she married.

Edwin's father, Bartholemew, was entered on both marriage certificates.

:-S :-S :-S :-S

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 May 2013 23:11

Bea, that 1881 marriage is just in the name of John - is it definitely Edwin and not perhaps a brother?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1881
Brown James Tomsett E. Grinstead 2b 279
DAVEY Emily East Grinstead 2b 279
NICHOLAS Martha Fisher E. Grinstead 2b 279
Wool John East Grinstead 2b 279

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 May 2013 23:13

Just posting what appears to be Emily in 1911 - shows children born after separation? from Edwin

WOOL, Emily Wife Widow F 49 1862 Laundress Brighton Sussex
WOOL, Sidney Son Single M 24 1887 Bricklayers Labourer East Grinstead Sussex
WOOL, Olive Daughter Single F 20 1891 Laundress East Grinstead Sussex
WOOL, Jack Son Single M 19 1892 Gardener East Grinstead Sussex
WOOL, Margret Daughter F 10 1901 School Lingfield Surrey

RG number: RG14 Piece: 4983
Reference: RG14PN4983 RG78PN219 RD75 SD2 ED5 SN115
Registration District: East Grinstead
Sub District: East Grinstead Enumeration
District: 5
Parish: East Grinstead

Address: 21 Morton Road East Grinstead County: Sussex

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 05:38

On the marriage cert to Alice in 1888 .............. Edwin says he is a Bachelor????????


Occupation ......... Machine Driller


One of the witnesses, Minnie Day, appears on 2 other certificates on the same pages. Probably a "professional" witness.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 May 2013 19:19

I need to be convinced that Edwin John who married in 1888 and John who married in 1881 are the same person!

Was just thinking that this birth would fit the chap who married 1881:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1852
Wool John _over Holborn 1b 368

EDIT: Think this might be John Lover Wool who went to Australia 1863.
..................................................................................................................

This would, I think, be the John who married Eliza in 1881 just prior to marriage:

ROBINSON, John Head Married M 29 1852 Railway Labourer North, Staffordshire
ROBINSON, Eliza Wife Married F 29 1852 Bossey (Bs), France
ROBINSON, Florence Daughter Single F 9 1872 London Chelsea, London, Middlesex
ROBINSON, Sarah Daughter Single F 6 1875 London Chelsea, London, Middlesex
ROBINSON, John Son Single M 4 1877 London Chelsea, London, Middlesex
ROBINSON, James Son Single M 1 1880 Crick, Northamptonshire
ROBINSON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 0 1881 East Grinstead, Sussex
>>WOOL, John Lodger Single M 29 1852 Copper Smith & Lab Shoreditch, Middlesex
WELLS, George Lodger Single M 25 1856 Railway Laborer Portsmouth Landport

Piece: 1057 Folio: 49A Page: 23
Registration District: East Grinstead
Civil Parish: East Grinstead

Address: 8, Glen Vue Villas, Glen Vue Road, East Grinstead County: Sussex

Bea

Bea Report 3 May 2013 22:55

Thank you for recent posts.

MarieCeleste - Margaret in 1911 Census described her father as Edwin J. Wool, deceased on her marriage certificate.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 May 2013 23:08

Oh, that's useful Bea - puts a different perspective.

So it looks like he was a bit of a fibber as well as a bigamist!

Bea

Bea Report 3 May 2013 23:26

I am wondering if Bartholemew was a bit of a 'fly by night ' too and went off to America!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 May 2013 07:42

I'd thought with a nice unusual name like that, that it would be easy to track him - however, there are quite a few chaps with the same name both in America and Ireland and a range of birth years.

I'll have a sift through .....