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Marmaduke Seaman - more info needed

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Michael

Michael Report 29 Apr 2013 21:22

Could anyone help me find some information on my great-grandfather?

Despite having such a distinctive name, he has proved quite a difficult character to find any records on. Here's what we already know:

- He was from the Norfolk area.
- He was born c1880.
- He married Fanny Keymer (my great-grandmother) in 1904, but she died in 1909 when my grandfather (Gayford Seaman) was about 4 years old.

- We believe he then remarried, to a woman named Marjorie, though we can't find any marriage records on this. Possibly in 1909.
- We also believe that he served in the Navy, and may have obtained a reasonably high rank.
- The circumstances surrounding his death are mysterious and shrouded in rumour and I am particularly interested in finding out what happened to him. It is possible that he may have died at sea in c1942, ending his own life after sustaining a terrible injury.

Thank you for your help.
Michael.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Apr 2013 21:25

1911 not a lot of help

Name: Gayford Seaman
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk
Civil parish: Gorleston
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: 67 High Street, Gorleston
Registration district: Yarmouth
Registration District Number: 219
Sub-registration district: Gorleston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 275
Piece: 11096
Household Members: Name Age
Philip J C Keymer 73
Mary Ann Keymer 72
Sarah Howard Keymer 36
Robert Keymer 32
Gayford Seaman 5

Astra

Astra Report 29 Apr 2013 21:25

With his parents in 1891

1891 England Census
Name: Marmaduke Seaman
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Parent's Name: Catherine Seaman
Gender: Male
Where born: Poringland, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Bixley
Ecclesiastical parish: Bixley
Town: Bixley
County/Island: Norfolk
Registration district: Henstead
Sub-registration district: Henstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 1537
Folio: 75
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Seaman
30
William Seaman
10
Marmaduke Seaman
7
Mabel Seaman
6
Alfred Seaman
5
Minnie Watts
21

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Apr 2013 21:27

Do you have the 1904 marriage cert as would be useful to know how he was when he married, his occupation and the name and occupation of his father

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Apr 2013 21:31

1911 just posting while having a look around - but age is wrong

Name: George Marmaduke Seaman
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Engine Room Artificer
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Mediterranean
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration District Number: 640
ED, institution, or vessel: Vessels
Piece: 34973

Astra

Astra Report 29 Apr 2013 21:32

His probate was granted to his widow Marjorie Amy and he also used the name George.

So this will be him in 1911

Name: George Marmaduke Seaman
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Engine Room Artificer
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Mediterranean
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration District Number: 640
ED, institution, or vessel: Vessels
Piece: 34973
Household Members:

Astra

Astra Report 29 Apr 2013 21:33

Name: George Marmaduke Seaman
Probate Date: 21 Jan 1942
Death Date: 15 Mar 1941
Death Place: Norfolk, England
Registry: Norwich

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Apr 2013 21:39

Name: Marjorie Amy Seaman
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1889
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1980
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1716



Not yet found a marriage

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 29 Apr 2013 21:40

From the CWGC.....


SEAMAN, GEORGE MARMADUKE

Rank:
Lieut-Commander (E)
Date of Death:
15/03/1941
Age:
58
Regiment/Service:
Royal Navy

H.M.S. Lynx.
Grave Reference

Cemetery
BIXLEY (ST. WANDREGESILUS) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:
Son of William and Catherine Elizabeth Seaman; husband of Marjorie Amy Seaman, of Norwich.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Apr 2013 21:40

Have you purchased the 1941 death cert

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Apr 2013 21:40

His marriage??

Name: SEAMAN, George M
Registration district: Medway
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Gifford
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1606

Name: GIFFORD, Marjorie A
Registration district: Medway
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Seaman
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1606

Astra

Astra Report 29 Apr 2013 21:40

Civil Registration event: Marriage

PrintClose
MarriageFinder: George M Seaman married Marjorie A Gifford
Name: SEAMAN, George M
Registration district: Medway
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Gifford
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1606

Name: GIFFORD, Marjorie A
Registration district: Medway
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Seaman
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1606

Michael

Michael Report 29 Apr 2013 21:42

Thank you Glitter Berry and Astra :).

It's interesting to see that he used the name George, I wonder why?. My grandfather apparently never spoke much about him.

Unfortunately we have only so far been able to find a copy of his marriage record from 1904.

Thanks again.

Michael

Michael Report 29 Apr 2013 21:45

Thank you also to Alviegirl and Christina. Very interesting to see the military records.

We have not purchased his death certificate. How would we obtain it?


Thanks :)

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Apr 2013 21:49

Death???


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about George M Seaman
Name: George M Seaman
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 317

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Apr 2013 21:52


Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Date of Birth: 08 February 1881. Rank: Lieutenant Commander Engineer (Retired). ...

Admiralty: Officers' Service Records (Series III). ACTING ARTIFICER ENGINEER OFFICERS WARRANTS. Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Date of Birth: 08 February 1881. Rank: Lieutenant Commander Engineer (Retired). Date of enrolment: 08 September 1913.

Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Date range: 08 September 1913 - 08 September 1913
Reference:ADM 196/134/187
Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy
Browse by hierarchy | Browse by reference

Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Official Number: 270668. Place of Birth: Norwich, Norfolk. Date of Birth: ...

Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. General series to 1907. Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Official Number: 270668. Place of Birth: Norwich, Norfolk. Date of Birth: 08 February 1881.

Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Date range: 01 January 1901 - 31 December 1901
Reference:ADM 188/434/270668
Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy


From http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Apr 2013 21:58

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

This is the site to order birth, marriage and death certs for England and Wales.

You need to register first. Cost is £9.25 per cert.

Do not use other sites as some charge as much as £30 per cert

alviegal

alviegal Report 29 Apr 2013 21:59

Royal Navy Officers Medal Roll 1914-1920
Print Close

First Name(s):George Marmaduke

Last Name:SEAMAN

Rank:Artificer Engineer

Service:R.N.

Medals & Clasps earned:1914-15 Star, Victory & British War Medals

How Issued or disposed of:HMS Royal Oak.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 29 Apr 2013 22:01

Also from the CWGC.

Marmaduke's brother? Died in WW1


SEAMAN, WILLIAM

Rank:
Engine Room Artificer 1st Class
Service No:
1781/EA
Date of Death:
20/05/1916
Age:
35
Regiment/Service:
Royal Naval Reserve

H.M.S, "Honeysuckle"
Grave Reference
In South-West part.
Cemetery
BIXLEY (ST. WANDREGESILUS) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:
Son of William and Catherine Elizabeth Seaman.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Apr 2013 22:02

Get the information on the death registration from ancestry (given you by alviegal above)

or from the free site, www.freebmd.org.uk .......................

Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)

Seaman George M 58 Norwich Outer 4b 317


Then go to this site ...........

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

you have to register, but it is free.

Follow the instructions on how to order a certificate.

When you are asked if you have the GRO registration number, say YES ...... it is the set of numbers at the end of the line (ie, 4b 317)


Only enter the information as given on the registration

Each certificate you order will cost £9.25, which included p&p


Repeat for every certificate that you want to buy




Good luck




sylvia