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Dea

Dea Report 4 May 2013 09:30

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1911 census transcription details for: 98 Higher Road Urmston
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN23629 RG78PN1376 RD463 SD3 ED7 SN342
Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell
Sub District: Stretford
Parish: Urmston
Enum. District: 7
Address: 98 Higher Road Urmston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
OWEN, James Head Married M 49 1862 Commission Agent Lymm Cheshire
OWEN, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married 20 years F 46 1865 Urmston Lanc
OWEN, William Son Single M 18 1893 Assisting In The Business Urmston Lanc

Married 20 years - only 1 child.

..................

I was a bit worried about the occupations above but 1901 shows that they dealt in 'Vegetables' so I believe it is the correct family:

1901 census transcription details for: 98, Higher Road, Urmston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3667
Folio: 128
Page: 3
Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell
Sub District: Stretford
Parish: Urmston
Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: Urmston St Clement
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 98, Higher Road, Urmston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
OWEN, James Head Married M 38 1863 Commission Agent (Vegetable)
Lymm, Cheshire
OWEN, Lizzie A Wife Married F 35 1866
Urmston, Lancashire
OWEN, William B Son M 8 1893
Urmston, Lancashire


Dea x

alex

alex Report 4 May 2013 16:59

Hello Dea

I wish it was correct but it cannot as my Mum was born in 1919 and is one of 4 children. The youngest child,William Owen was born in 1929.

patchem

patchem Report 4 May 2013 17:04

Is the birth that I posted for your Mother correct?

Birth end of 1919, registered in 1920:

Births Mar 1920
Owen Mary Owen Barton I. 8c 1360

patchem

patchem Report 4 May 2013 17:07

Is this William's birth?

Births Mar 1929
Owen William Owen Barton I. 8c 809

or this:
Births Dec 1929
Owen William N Marshall Barton I. 8c 686

Added:
What are the names of the other children?

Dea

Dea Report 4 May 2013 17:50

I think that you need to re-read this thread - I am sure that I have the correct family!

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Owen Mary Owen Barton I. 8c 1360 Scan available - click to view


Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Owen Margaret Owen Barton I. 8c 1231 Scan available - click to view


Births Mar 1929 (>99%)
Owen William Owen Barton I. 8c 809 Scan available - click to view

All the other info has been worked back from there - I am sure that it is correct.

Either way - you have not got a solution to this query so please untick the answered tick so that people can see that you need further help !!

Dea Xxx

Dea Xxx

alex

alex Report 4 May 2013 21:35

Hi again

Yes-sorry that is correct. Mum was born 26th December and William was 29th December and Margaret was in August I think. Maybe the fourth child did not live as long as I had been told-aged 4 when he died (James Owen died of meningitis)?
Thanks for that. What is Barton? Is it a place? I cannot understand the main information you sent about the man,James marrying and having one son. Is that my grandfather?

alex

alex Report 4 May 2013 21:45

Are you thinking that my Grandfather was infact called William Owen? That would fit with his age and I don't ever recall Mum mentioning any aunts or uncles on his side. Oh my. That might explain some things.

Flip

Flip Report 4 May 2013 22:06

Hi Alex,

The births posted are from FREEBMD (which you can search for FREE) and give for eg

Owen Mary Owen Barton I. 8c 1360
surname/given name/mothers maiden name/registration district/GRO reference

Barton I is Barton on Irwell registration district (ie Greater Manchester/Lancashire) So in this case Mary was born Owen, and her mother's maiden name was also Owen.

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 09:53

Have you applied for your Mother's birth certificate?
Might be very useful.

This could be the meningitis birth and death at a younger age than 4
Births Dec 1922
Owen James B Owen Barton I. 8c 926
Deaths Jun 1924
Owen James B 1 Barton I. 8c 709

Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 10:32

Patchem - I think you have the correct James there - I found it last night and have been working on one of my 'theories' !!!


Deaths:
James Owen abt 1862 Apr-May-Jun 1927 Barton upon Irwell Lancashire
James Owen abt 1862 Apr-May-Jun 1937 Barton Lancashire


Lancs BMD shown the middle name to be Boardman!

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1922
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

OWEN James Boardman Stretford Trafford STR/102/61


Now, armed with that middle name, I found this marriage:

Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
Boardman Elizabeth Ann Chorlton 8c 1085
Owen James Chorlton 8c 1085

This, of course, means that William was born before they married and when you look at the 1901 census he has he middle initial 'B'
Could this be for 'Boardman, meaning he was born a Boardman but took on the name Owen after they married?

1901 census transcription details for: 98, Higher Road, Urmston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3667
Folio: 128
Page: 3
Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell
Sub District: Stretford
Parish: Urmston
Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: Urmston St Clement
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 98, Higher Road, Urmston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
OWEN, James Head Married M 38 1863 Commission Agent (Vegetable)
Lymm, Cheshire
OWEN, Lizzie A Wife Married F 35 1866
Urmston, Lancashire
OWEN, William B Son M 8 1893
Urmston, Lancashire



This is the boardman family in 1891 and 1881 which shows that all Elizabeth's details fit !

1891 census transcription details for: 5, Lorne Grove, Urmston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3160
Folio: 90
Page: 19
Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell
Sub District: Stretford
Parish: Urmston
Enum. District: 23
Ecclesiastical District: St Clements
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Lorne Grove, Urmston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BOARDMAN, William Head Widower M 49 1842 Cattle Dealer
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Mary E Daughter Single F 24 1867 House Keeper
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Nathan H Son Single M 19 1872 Waste Dealers Clerk
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Sarah A Daughter Single F 15 1876 Dressmakers Apprentice
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Maud Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Urmston, Lancashire




1881 census transcription details for: Blossom Row Chadwick Lane, Urmston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3889
Folio: 13
Page: 19
Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell
Sub District: Stretford
Parish: Urmston
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Blossom Row Chadwick Lane, Urmston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BOARDMAN, William Head Widower M 39 1842 Fruiterer
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 16 1865 Assistant Fruiterer
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Mary E Daughter Single F 14 1867
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, William H Son Single M 13 1868 ((Sch))
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Nathan Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Hannah Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Urmston, Lancashire
BOARDMAN, Maud Daughter Single F 2 1879
Urmston, Lancashire



I have a lot more info which I am still trying to piece together for more clues to confirm but I really must go and get dressed.

I will post this for now and come back later.

Perhaps you night want to check through it while I am away?

Dea x


Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 10:42

Just found William's baptism:

Baptism: 4 Sep 1892 St Clement, Urmston, Lancashire, England
William Boardman - Son of Elizabeth Ann Boardman
Born: 19 Jul 1892
Abode: Urmston
Baptised by: E. Harwood Cooke Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1906, Page 119, Entry 973
Source: LDS Family Search

Now I REALLY MUST go and get dressed ;-) :-D :-D

Dea Xxx

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 12:28

Cannot see Elizabeth in 1891. Sorry.

Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 16:16

Bumped up for Alex.

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 20:14

Alex - I note that you have opned my e-mail but haven't responded - perhaps I have totally baffled you with all this info ??

If so, I apologise !

If you need me to I will bring it all together tomorrow and try to make it more simple!

This is a complicated family but I really think I have 'cracked it' '

Dea xxx ;-)

alex

alex Report 5 May 2013 20:30

Oh Dea-you are solo GOOD at this!! You have just supplied me with a load of presents that i am opening and TRYING to digest.
When you found "Boardman" I got hold of an address card-one of the few things i have from my Mum (just to give you a bigger picture-William,my uncle, had all family history in his home and left it to the opportunistic cleaner 1 week before he died). The address card is of "Miss M Boardman, Address: "Nythfa", Mountain Lane, Penmaenmawr,North Wales. We visited a cottage here when i was a kid. I presume it was her home and she left it to Mum's mum. I always remember Mum talking about "Aunt Maud" and "Aunt Sally (not Sarah though). Also Mum had an autograph book that she got friends and relatives to sign. There is an uncle Nathan in there-his address is in Canada.

This is really exciting. Thank you so much. I need to understand this-is this correct:
My Grandfather was James and born to Elizabeth Owen (ne Boardman) when she met my great Grandfather??? She already had a son-William? I still am confused !
I have ordered Mum's birth certificate.

Alex xx

Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 20:35

This is exciting for me too - Have to go to bed now as I am an 'old lady' !

Send me all the info you have - it looks like we have 'lift off' on this :-D :-D

Will be back here in the morning !

Dea xxx

Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 20:46

I think that James and Elizabeth were your great grandparents - William was your grandfather ! - Born as Boardman, later Owen !!

Dea Xxx

Dea

Dea Report 5 May 2013 20:46

Nite nite now,

Dea Xxx

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 20:51

Why is the name of the father wrong on the marriage certificate?
Just wondering. Everything else looks good.

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 20:55

Nathan Higginson Boardman
Baptism Date: 6 Aug 1871
Parish: Urmston, St Clement
Parish as it Appears: Urmston
Father's Name: William Boardman (market gardener)
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Marfleet Boardman (NO, Margaret)
Reference Number: L135/1/1/1
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 936