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patchem Report 31 May 2013 06:51

Thanks for keeping us updated.


Dea Report 31 May 2013 08:54

Many thanks for the update Alex - it looks like we have proved it all to be correct.

Do let us know when you get that birth cert.

Dea Xxx


alex Report 2 Jul 2013 16:57

I got it!
My Grandfather was William Owen. Now i am going to try and get his death certificate too just to see if I can gleam anymore info.
Thanks so much Dea and Patchem. Good work!!!
xxxx :-)


patchem Report 2 Jul 2013 18:46

Thank-you, Alex.

It is nice to be appreciated.


Dea Report 2 Jul 2013 19:06

Thank you so much Alex <3

Do let us know if you need any more help!

Just bump up this thread so we have all the info together.

Dea Xxx


alex Report 2 Jul 2013 20:44

Ummm...will do..but what does "bump up this thread" mean

From a computer illiterate!!

xx :-S


Dea Report 2 Jul 2013 20:51

It just means - add a message to this thread which will bring it back up to the top of the page so that we will notice it !!

Dea Xxx


alex Report 2 Jul 2013 20:57

Thanks for that. Will do!



alex Report 18 Aug 2013 14:53

Hello Dea

I gained more information about my grandfather-William Owen. I just received his birth certificate, but not his original one. James Owen was not my blood related great grandfather. That ties in with Elizabeth Boardman and James Owen's marriage happening after William was born.
William's birth certificate says he was registered under the legitimacy Act 1926 and the registry took place in 1937. There is no mention of William's father. Was this why it was re-registered,so the real father was not identified??
I received this certificate through a company and was stung for £25. Never again! I will now request William's actual original certificate and let you know more-hopefully!


Dea Report 18 Aug 2013 15:03

ALWAYS order certs through the GRO site Alex !! - £9.25 ! - Many other sites are just a 'rip-off' !

Do let us know when you receive it !

Dea Xxx


alex Report 11 Sep 2013 20:44

Hello Dea

The certificate i got back from GRO was -again-the re-registered one from 1937.

I have e mailed GRO to try and obtain the original. Is it possible that I won't be able to?
I am perplexed with this re-registered certificate. How can it be legal or mean anything without the father or even a made up father's name on there?
Do you happen to know?
Is it possible that my grandfather was adopted by James Owen as his own. In that case, it was a closed adoption and the natural father's identity is kept sealed.
Perhaps the real father did not know Lizzie was pregnant if she left service before it showed.
I really need to get to the bottom os this!!! Any help gratefully received!!!


patchem Report 11 Sep 2013 21:13

This tells you about reregistering, you could google for more information, also.


Kay???? Report 11 Sep 2013 22:24

Owen //Boardman surnames.

Birth -1934,Barton Lancs.

Owen William -mothers maiden name------ Boardman.



HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 12 Sep 2013 06:48

Alex what is the GRO reference of the certificate you have received for William?



Flip Report 12 Sep 2013 13:15

What information did you use to get the certificate - surely his birth was registered in Sept qtr 1892 under William Boardman

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)

Boardman William Barton I. 8c 738

There is no cross ref to a later re-registration on the image, though that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Did you order using the GRO reference?

Not sure why your mother would have named her father James on her marriage, she certainly wasn't brought up by grandfather James, as she wouldn't have known him:

James Owen
Probate Date: 2 Mar 1915
Death Date: 25 Jan 1915
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England

Of 98 Higher rd, Urmston. Veg salesman. Probate to widow Elizabeth Ann Owen and Nathan Higginson Boardman, cotton waste merchant. Effects £836 15s


Flip Report 12 Sep 2013 13:42

They were both living 66 Abbey ? Lane, higher Openshaw when they married:

Elizabeth Ann Boardman
Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 28
Marriage Date: 1 Jan 1894
Parish: Higher Openshaw, St Clement
Parish as it Appears: Higher Openshaw, St Clement
Father's Name: William Boardman
Spouse's Name: James Owen
Spouse's Father's Name: John Owen
Reference Number: GB127.M799/1/2/1

His father John, gentleman - hers as already posted on the census returns. The witnesses Maud Boardman and Jonathan Gilbody

James was with his parents in Cheshire in 1891 but Elizabeth was not with him. As no one had found her in 1891 I was checking just in case they were together.


alex Report 12 Sep 2013 19:30

Hi Jude
The reference is 4211005 (account no.) Cust, ref. no.COL212442/2013

I did try under the name William Boardman but they couldn't find one


alex Report 12 Sep 2013 19:31


That's a spooky coincidence but not sure if related!!


Flip Report 12 Sep 2013 20:50

Births Sep 1892 (>99%)

Boardman William Barton I. 8c 738

Did you try ordering the birth cert using the GRO reference as shown above? Or did you just order without the reference?

Jude asked you for the GRO ref, not the order ref.


alex Report 12 Sep 2013 21:36

No I did not order under the GRO reference.
Excuse the ignorance, but the GRO paper that came with the re-registered certificate has an ACCOUNT NUMBER and a CUSTOMER REFERENCE NUMBER. It does not say-GRO ref anywhere on it. I presume it's the account number that Jude has asked for? Or is it on the actual certificate?