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Amelia Ann Ruscoe - Manchester - any info please

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 May 2013 07:50

NS ..................

I wonder if a confectioner's business was considered a "suitable" shop for a single lady to run??

One of my OH's ancestral lines is of reasonably wealthy tenant farmers in Westmorland and Yorkshire. In one large family, I eventually found 2 of the girls as confectioners in Liverpool.

There seems to have been no previous connection with business of any kind ............ at least I haven't found one.

Yet they later had at least 3 nieces as apprentices. Neither woman married.

CupCakes

CupCakes Report 4 May 2013 07:17

There is no issue about my parental Robinsons. I have all info certs etc about them all. I found some probates and sent for the wills of my dad, grandpa and greatgranpa. My granpa Charles Robinson was a tailor with a shop. He was one of those who copied the designs of the so called affluent people and produced made to measure at a cheaper cost.

He died suddenly 1 Jan 1944 after an operation. My siblings and my 2 cuz all rmember going to visit nan at her sweet shop in the early 50's - such a magical place for small children. It was in Middleton on the corner of a road near the old market.

There is no historic connection with a confectionary business in the family. So how she came about it we have no idea - she lived at 7 North Road, Salford for years before then - the address is even on my dads WW11 records.

Amelia & Joseph Roscoe are not blood relations but seem to be tied up with the family in some way. Especially Amelia, however with Amelia & nana both widows they must have made a living somehow.

Have just reread grandpas will. Just noticed it was originally written 4 Jan 1928 - refiled 30 Jan 1938. So the time frame of Amelia and nana's asociation is at least from 1928 - 1944

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 May 2013 07:10

NOPE .................. I was wrong!!!

that must be another Joseph Ruscoe baptised in Salford with parrnts John and Sarah Ann


Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)

RUSCOE JOHN EDWIN
Stacey Rosa Salford 8d 159
STACEY Ross Salford 8d 159


1881 Census

Name: John E. Roscoe
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosa Roscoe
Gender: Male
Where born: Hulme, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Unity St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Grocers Assistant

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road

John E. Roscoe 22
Rosa Roscoe 22 b.ca 1859, Wales
John W. Roscoe 8 months, b.ca 1880, Salford

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 May 2013 07:00

ONLY ....................... Rosa may not have been Joseph's mother



Joseph Ruscoe, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

Name: Joseph Ruscoe
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 02 May 1883
Christening Place: Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Ruscoe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04104-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1786422
Reference ID: item 3 p 183

versus


Frederick Victor Ruscoe, "England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910"

Name: Frederick Victor Ruscoe
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 11 Apr 1900
Event Place: Eccles, Pendlebury, Lancashire, England
Gender:
Age:
Marital Status:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Father's Name: John Edwin Ruscoe
Mother's Name: Rosa
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film number: 2355967
Digital Folder Number: 004497165
Image Number: 00291




1901 Census

Name: Joseph Henry Ruscoe
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Edwin Ruscoe
Mother's Name: Rosa Ruscoe
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton

John Edwin Ruscoe 42
Rosa Ruscoe 42
John William Ruscoe 20
Joseph Henry Ruscoe 17
Earnest Arthur Ruscoe 15
Rose Edith Ruscoe 10
Fanny Gertrude Ruscoe 7
Ernest Jack Ruscoe 2
Fredrick Victor Ruscoe 1

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 May 2013 06:47

??? is this Joseph on the 1911 Census??

1911 Census

Name: Joseph Ruscoe
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Broughton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 97 Lower Broughton Road Manchester
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Grocers Assistant
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 24032

John Edwin Ruscoe 52 b.ca 1859, Chorlton upon Medlock, Collector (of accounts for sewing machine co.)
Rosa Ruscoe 52 b.ca 1859, Abdore, Glamonshire, Shop Keeper (Trip) <<<< ??Aberdore
Joseph Ruscoe 28
Ernest Ruscoe 25 b.ca 1886, Salford, Wheelwright
Edith Ruscoe 20 b.ca 1891, Manchester, Shop Assistant (Tripe)
Fredrick Ruscoe 11 b.ca 1900, Irlams o' th' Heights, Lancashire, Scholar

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 May 2013 06:33

don't know why it didn't show up on freebmd for me .................. I found it easily enough by looking for the place, and volume and page numbers!!!


Deaths Dec 1923 (>99%)

RUSCOE Joseph H 40 Salford 8d 143



He died very young!


I wonder if he served in WW1???

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 May 2013 06:28

NS ................


I found what looks like his death registration on ancestry, but not on freebmd. I posted it on page 1 .............


Name: Joseph H Ruscoe
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 143



Charles died in 1938, so yes, his will was probably written some time in the intervening 15 years .............. is there not a date on it??

CupCakes

CupCakes Report 4 May 2013 06:15

Sorry for not getting back to this thread - sort of got waylaid.

This is all so very interesting - I'm quite amazed at the findings. Will have to keep all this in my family notes.
Going back to the beginning it is obvious the Joesph was dead when grandpa Charles included her in his will. I'm following the trail of addresses in Manchester

As you can see from my Researching: notes my grandmothers origin is a mystery - many have tried before. I kept all the notes I got from the offices in Manchester years ago. Only this week I finally proved her sister and linked her 3 husbands. Just waiting for the certs to see what she declared about their father. Thomas James Davies - so far I've only been able to guess anything about him.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 23:14

wonder if NanaSue will return to this thread?

I don't like to feel that I have wasted my time ............... especially when it is such an interesting story.

Gershon Kohn / Geoffrey Kent appears to have been very well thought of, especially in the US.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 May 2013 23:05

I'm pretty sure too Sylvia, as referenced in that newsletter link we've both posted, seems to have been a note from his son who is also mentioned in the obit.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 21:20

A Gershon Kohn was in the Royal Army Medical Corps in WW2, and was promoted to Lt. on 24th Mar 1945

Gershon Kohn (342691)

SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, n MAY, 1945 P.R: «
www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/37073/supplements/2473/page.pdf?





I'm getting convinced that Gershon Kohn (aka Geoffrey Kent) was a medical officer of the SS Bodegraven, the last Kindertransport to get Jewish children out of Holland.

The ship docked in Liverpool May 19 1940

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 21:05

then I wonder if this is him???


Contact: Andrea Goodmaker at AJR, DECEMBER 2006 Jubilee ...
www.ajr.org.uk/documents/ktdec06.pdf?
Dec 8, 2006 – My father, known as Gershon Kohn then, was aboard the Bodegraven as a medical officer with his cousin, and his cousin's parents. I wished to ......

or maybe not

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 May 2013 20:49

He had a good innings!

Chicago Tribune

Death Notice: GEOFFREY KENT
April 27, 2008

Geoffrey Kent, Professor of Pathology Emeritus at Northwestern University, has led a distinguished career in research, administration and teaching in four countries across two continents.

Graduating with an M.D. from the University of Amsterdam in 1939, he displayed a remarkable affinity for training with exceptional leaders in medical research and education.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 20:46

MC ................

I just realised that!

Having found Katharines' obituary, which shows that Geoffrey survived her .......... after 63 years of marriage :-0






but have left it up because it rules out that Geoffrey Kent.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 20:42

Geoffrey Kent survived her

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 20:41

Wonderful ..................


google

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-07-22/news/0707220163_1_chicago-ave-arlington-heights-river-forest


a snippet ................

Kent, Katharine Mary
July 22, 2007

Katharine Mary Kent, born Nov. 20, 1912 in Broughton, Salford Co., England to Joseph Henry Ruscoe and Amelia Anne Crossley, died at Northwest Community Healthcare Center in Arlington Heights, IL on June 27, 2007. Raised near Manchester, England, served in the hospital there through the German Blitz of December, 1940; married in 1944; and became a resident of Tent Lodge near Coniston during WWII where she had her first of four children. Later in 1949 she moved in support of her husband's medical career to Welwyn, outside of London. She emigrated with her husband, mother and four children to Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan in 1951 and three years later emigrated again to River Forest, IL, to the corner of Keystone and Chicago Ave., living there for over 15 years. Afterward she resided in Chicago, Barrington and finally in Arlington Heights, IL. After receiving vocational training in medical administration, Katharine was employed by the Manchester Royal Infirmary in Manchester, England, and later ......................

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 May 2013 20:40

Sylvia, I don't think that death can be him - he was still alive aged 93 in 2006.

He is mentioned on page 5 of the newsletter on this link:
http://www.ajr.org.uk/documents/ktdec06.pdf

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 20:31

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ....


interesting, maybe ???????



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Geoffrey Kent

Name: Geoffrey Kent
Probate Date: 9 Mar 1959
Death Date: 28 Aug 1958
Death Place: Staffordshire, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

from image..................

of 12 Green Oak Road, Bilbrook, Staffordshire, died 28 Aug 1958 at New Cross Hospital, Wolverhampton. Administration granted Birmingham 9 Mar 1959 to Kathleen Mary Kent, widow.

Effects £943 12s 10d


I KNOW this is saying Kathleen, not Katharine, BUT so many details seem to fit?????????



and I haven't found Geoffrey leaving the UK



IGNORE THIS .................. see below

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 20:27

from ancestry

All UK Medical Registers, 1859-1959 results for Gershon Kohn

The Medical Register for 1947

Gershon Kohn
Address:- 2 Mayfield Road, Salford, 7
Date and Place of Registration:- 1943, July 27 E
Qualifications:- M.R.C.S., England, 1943; L.R.C.P., London, 1943


The Medical Register for 1951

Geoffrey Kent (formerly Gershon Kohn)
Address:- The Red House, Reynards Road, Old Welwyn, Herts.
Date and Place of Registration:- 1943, July 27 E
Qualifications:- M.R.C.S., England, 1943; L.R.C.P., London, 1943


He is shown at the same address in Old Welwyn in 1955



edited once ........... spelling error

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 May 2013 20:12

This also Katharine travelling on the same ships as Amelia in 1958


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Kath M Kent

Name: Kath M Kent
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1912
Age: 45
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 14 Jun 1958
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Arosa Sun
Search Ship Database: View the 'Arosa Sun' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Arosa Line
Official Number: 0214/80

with 4 children

going to 113 MillHill, London
staying for 3 months


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Katherine Kent

Name: Katherine Kent
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 5 Sep 1958
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Ship Name: Arosa Star
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Arosa Star' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Ebbrey

travelling with 4 children

gives same address in Uk as Amelia .... 113 Mill Way, London, NW7

Permanent residence:- USA



so ............. it looks as though Gershon Kohn anglicised his name to Geoffrey Kent