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martynsue Report 3 May 2013 08:47

could anyone who has a world wide sub help me sort out a puzzle,
i have a chap who died very recent,he named his elderly cousin as his next of kin,she has not seen or heard from him since the 1960s,
he has told other people he was born in beirst france,registered in france,also in harrow-wildwing head quarters,and in washington as his father was american.
i have found him on free bmd under his mother's name ( for surname & maiden name,i cannot find any travel detail's for him or his mum ,
i need to know if he had any sibling's,did his mum actualy marry his dad as it all seem's a bit far fetched to me.
she was supposed to have been a spy in the 2nd ww?
also recieved a military cross from france,
his mother was gladys e chinn 1909 uk.
he was born 1946 hendon name floyd f chinn,
father floyd burtchett,
he used his father's surname when he married in the 1960s,
it also states hi parent's married in a russian orthodox church?
although it is not stated where this marriage took place.

did he make up this story about his parent's or are there any fact's out there to back this up.

any info would be most welcome,
this lady has got to sort out his thing's 300miles from were she lives and has been told that rent is owed and building up.

thank you.


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 08:52

The French honour is the Croix de Guerre

Floyd is definitely American in origin..............

When/where did the mother die?


Jonesey Report 3 May 2013 08:53

Like you say Martyn, it does sound a bit iffy but who knows some of it might have a grain of truth in it.


Jonesey Report 3 May 2013 08:56


Births Dec 1909
CHINN Gladys Eleanor Edmonton 3a 653

Name: Gladys Eleanor Chinn
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1909
Date of Registration: Feb 1992
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1622

Name: Gladys Chinn
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Edmonton
Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 46 Beaconsfield Road, Edmonton
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 7365
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Chinn 30 born Kingsland
Ada Chinn 23 born Derbyshire
Ada Chinn
Gladys Chinn
Joseph Davis 17 born Scotland (Ada's brother)
Alice Davis 13 born Kings Cross
Jessie Davis 10 born Gloucestershire


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 08:56

If the person you know is named as his NOK.................then he obviously didn't know of any other relatives.

HOW is she his cousin?

Have you tried looking for info yourself on freebmd?


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 08:58

So the mother didn't marry..........or, if she did, reverted to her maiden name

Who registered her death?


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 09:00

He was clearly unused to telling the truth......witness his fabrications about his birthplace.

You don't need anyone to look already know his birth details


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 09:03


Jonesey Report 3 May 2013 09:04

Just as an aside even if the alleged next of kin is named as an executor in his will she can refuse to act as such if she wishes. The outstanding rent ect is not her responsibility, she personally is not liable to pay although any monies that are proven to be his responsibility can be claimed from his estate.


martynsue Report 3 May 2013 09:04

all i know is what i have put down,
i have used freebmd also war forces record's,
check american census etc.
i can find no detail's he said he came back from america in 1952 and as his mum was a royalist ,she would not go back after the death of the king.
i know this all seem's odd but this lady does not know which way to turn.
her mother & his mother were sister's.


martynsue Report 3 May 2013 09:09

jonsey the birth,death & census are all correct.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 3 May 2013 10:16

It sounds as if the immediate problem is the Estate.

If the property is Council/HA owned, the Executor can approach them to clear the property and submit a claim for the rent due and associated costs against the Estate. She should NOT pay out of her own finances. It would be best if someone could go to the property and remove anything of value and all personal papers. Otherwise any items which could be sold could be dumped in a skip.

If there is no one local who she could ask, she could consider appointing a Solicitor to take care of this, and to settle the Estate. All she need do is to sign the papers. Their costs would also come out of the Estate.

The 'tale' can be sorted out later!


Choccy Report 3 May 2013 10:21

coincidence ? same area as birth of Floyd F Chinn

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Floyd F Burtchett
Spouse Surname: Crump
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1947
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 302
Find Spouse: Jean G Crump


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 3 May 2013 10:25

For Washington DC birth records, try this link (but it's unlikely the cost could be recovered from the Estate)

Washington State

Edit at 1053 in light of Reggie’s post @ 1042.

True that the UK registered birth has been found. However, if she wants to follow up on the rumours that it was also registered in Washington, the links might help.


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 10:42

The OP says he has found the no need for any research on that

The mother died under her birth name

The cousin is not responsible for his debts.

Naming her as his next of kin does not impose any duty on her.

You haven't said if this man left a Will...............even if he did, the cousin can refuse to execute it. One assumes he didn't contact her to ask her permission to name her.............


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 10:44



He and his wife must have separated/divorced. She is recorded elsewhere in 2002


Reggie Report 3 May 2013 10:47

IF Burtchett WAS his father........he has a half-sister, who would actually be his legal NOK

You could have found her birth on freebmd

The father didn't hang around before taking up with someone else............


Choccy Report 3 May 2013 11:44

PM sent with present contact details of POSSIBLE half-sister.


Jonesey Report 3 May 2013 12:49

??? A second marriage of the alleged father?

Name: Floyd F Burtchett
Spouse Surname: Griffiths
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967
Registration district: Elstree
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 200


Name: Floyd Burtchett
Arrival Date: 1 Aug 1948
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: American
Place of Origin: United States of America
Port of Departure: Frankfurt,deu
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Airline: Pan American Airways

Home address: 729 South Hobart Rd, Los Angeles


martynsue Report 3 May 2013 13:13

sorry for the delay,thank you for your input,
jonsey the 1967 is the marriage of deceased,
the arrival's date would seem to fit in for the father,just saw the lady her memories come in fit's & start's,
she did say he was recalled back after demob and she mentioned frankfurt but she was not sure how it figured in it.
she said gladys was in the american army ??she is 100% certain on this fact,
is there any detail's on gladys travelling from frankfurt.
reggie thank you for the note on the possible half sister,i will see her later and pass the info on.