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GgreatGrandfather John Griffiths

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Michael

Michael Report 4 May 2013 06:26

Trying to find info on my Great/Great/Grandfather John Griffiths, born 1837. On my Greatgrandfather's (Robert Lloyd Griffiths b 1864) birth certificate it states his father...John Griffiths and mother....Mary Ann (no surname). I have hit an absolute deadend re his details., who he was married to, and if he had been married before or after Robert's birth. Hope this makes sense.

Regards to all,
Mike Griffiths, Dundas, NSW Australia

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 May 2013 07:37

Hi Mike - it would help if you could tell us where this was ...

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 07:40

Have you any idea where he was born

Vera

Vera Report 4 May 2013 07:41

Hi Michael,
Please can you tell me where he was born?

Regards Vera

Astra

Astra Report 4 May 2013 07:53

Tree on Ancestry has him born Liverpool in 1864 parents John Griffiths and Mary Ann Price

Astra

Astra Report 4 May 2013 07:58

This is his marriage according to the Ancestry details

Name: Robert Griffiths
Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 8 Mar 1886
Parish: Everton, Christ Church
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Ann Lythgoe
Father's Name: John Griffiths
Spouse Father's Name: Johnathan Lythgoe
Reference Number: 283 CST/3/2

John Griffiths was a labourer and the witnesses were Edward Roberts and Mary Ellen Lythgoe. Roberts address at the time was 2 Boyd Street and he was an Engine driver.
So if this is correct where and when does he take on the name Lloyd?

Astra

Astra Report 4 May 2013 08:14

Other tree have him born in Denbighshire or Flintshire and show this

Name: Robert Griffiths
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Griffiths
Mother's Name: Mary A Griffiths
Gender: Male
Where born: Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 3762
Folio: 106
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Griffiths 26
Mary A Griffiths 26
Robert Griffiths 8
Joseph Griffiths 6
Ann Griffiths 3
William Griffiths 1 Year, 3 Months
Jane Francis 24

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 May 2013 08:26

Another question Mike - what was his father's occupation on Robert Lloyd Griffiths birth certificate?

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 08:32

Is this a possible for Robert

1911 Census Household Record
Household information
Address High Street Clydach
Parish Rhyndwyglydach
Town Clydach
Type of Building House & Shop
Number of Rooms 6
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN32700 RG78PN1866 RD593 SD1 ED19 SN92
Administrative County Glamorganshire
Registration District Pontardawe
Registration Sub District Pontardawe
Enumeration District 19
Householder 1
Name Robert Lloyd Griffiths
Relationship to Head of Household Husban
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Occupation Grocer Co
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Industry Grocer's Shop
Place of Birth Glamorgan Clydach Parish Llangefalach
Language English and Welsh 2
Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Griffiths
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married
Total Children Born Alive 3
Children Still Living 2
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender F
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Glamorgan Clydach Parish Llangefalach
Language English and Welsh 2
Householder 3
Name Horold Llyd Griffiths
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1898
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Glamorgan Clydach Parish Llangefalach
Language English and Welsh 2
Householder 4
Name Sidney John Griffiths
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Glamorgan Clydach Parish Llangefalach
Language 7
Householder 5
Name Thomas Jenkins
Relationship to Head of Household W Brother
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 59
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Glamorgan Clydach Parish Llangefalach
Language 4
Householder 6
Name Gladys Davies
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1896
Occupation Juvenile
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Glamorgan Clydach Parish Llangefalach
Language 4

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 08:40



1901 Census Household Record
Household information
Address Mount Pleasant
Civil Parish Rhyndwyclydach
Rural District Pontardawe
Town or Village or Hamlet Clydach
Ecclesiastical Parish St John Clydach
Parliamentary Borough or Division Gower
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Glamorgan
Householder 1
Name Elizabeth Griffiths
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 38
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Glam Clydach
Language Both
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Harold Lloyd Griffiths
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Glam Clydach
Language Both
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Robert Lloyd Griffiths
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 39
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Grocer Shop Keeper
Employment Status
Where Born Glam Clydach
Language Both
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Elizabeth Jenkins
Relation to Head of Family Niece
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Grocers Assistant
Employment Status
Where Born Glam Clydach
Language Both
Infirmity

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 08:53

Marriage Record
Name Robert Lloyd Griffiths
Year of Marriage 1895
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Pontardawe
Registration County Glamorganshire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 11A
Volume Page 1219

Spouse Match

Robert Lloyd Griffiths married one of the people below:

Elizabeth JENKINS View
Margaret LOTT View
John Eynon LLOYD View

Astra

Astra Report 4 May 2013 08:54

If he had a child called John James Griffiths born Liverpool 1889 who emigrated to Australia in 1912 then he gives his birth location as Flintshire.

His parents Robert and Elizabeth are living in Liverpool.

Need the OP back with more information.

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 09:05


Birth Record
Name Robert Lloyd Griffiths
Year of Registration 1861
Quarter of Registration Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Swansea
Registration County Glamorganshire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 11A
Volume Page 467

Michael

Michael Report 4 May 2013 11:07

I believe John Griffiths was born in Holywell, Flintshire, Wales, His son Robert Lloyd was also born in Flintshire. Robert's wife was Elizabeth Ann Lythgoe and were married March 1866. Their son (my grandfather) John James was born in 1889 and travelled to Australia in 1912. It is so difficult to conduct research via the internet only when one is on the other side of the world. I am truely stuck with John's (b1837) marriage, so any assistance is enormously appreciated.

Mike - Australia



Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 11:21


1911 Census Record
Personal Information
Name Robert Griffiths
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Condition Single
Gender M
Age 50
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Occupation Clerk Shipping
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Holywell Flint
Enumerator Information
Address 60 Selborne St Toxteth Park Liverpool
Parish Toxteth Park
Town Liverpool
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 8 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN22266 RG78PN1316 RD454 SD3 ED15 SN61
Administrative County Lancashire
Registration District Toxteth Park
Registration Sub District Toxteth Park Central
Enumeration District 15
Reference Information
Folio 125
Page 1
Piece 22266
RD number 454
SD number 3
ED number 15
Schedule 61

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Astra

Astra Report 4 May 2013 11:41

This marriage looks good and would make sense.

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
CARTWRIGHT Thomas Holywell 11b 409
Davies Maria Holywell 11b 409
>>GRIFFITHS John Holywell 11b 409
>>Lloyd Mary Anne Holywell 11b 409

Checking the census in 1871 Thomas Cartwright married Maria Davies so John Griffiths married Mary Lloyd.
The marriage cert. ordered through the GRO for £9.25 will give you their father's names and occupations

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 13:19


1881 Census Household Record
ousehold Information
Address 115, Elias Street Cellar
Parish Everton
District West Derby, Everton
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name John Griffiths
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Fireman Gasworks
Birth Place Wales
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 2
Name Mary A Griffiths
Age 33
Estimated Year of Birth 1848
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Wales
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 3
Name Robert Griffiths
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1864
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Labourer Builder
Birth Place Wales
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 4
Name Joseph Griffiths
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1866
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Errand Boy
Birth Place Wales
Birth County Denbighshire
Householder 5
Name Anne Griffiths
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1868
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Wales
Birth County Denbighshire
Householder 6
Name Elizabeth Griffiths
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1876
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 7
Name Thomas Griffiths
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 8
Name William Griffiths
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1881
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County Lancashire

Fredk

Fredk Report 4 May 2013 13:30


1861 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address Milwr
Parish Holywell
District Holywell, Holywell
Administrative County Flintshire
Householder 1
Name Richard Griffiths
Age 46
Estimated Year of Birth 1815
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Lead Miner
Birth Place Caerwys
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 2
Name Ann Griffiths
Age 48
Estimated Year of Birth 1813
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Mold
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 3
Name John Griffiths
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Labourer
Birth Place Holywell
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 4
Name Edward Griffiths
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1842
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Quarryman
Birth Place Holywell
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 5
Name Jane Griffiths
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1845
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Holywell
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 6
Name Daniel Griffiths
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Holywell
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 7
Name George Griffiths
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Mold
Birth County Flintshire
Householder 8
Name William Griffiths
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Halkyn
Birth County Flintshire