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Surname Hynan

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Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 4 May 2013 22:20

I think this is Nora, same district as John Joseph, but way out as age if Laurence was born around 1926

Hanora is shortened to Nora

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Hanora Hynan
Name: Hanora Hynan
Birth Date: 2 Sep 1913
Date of Registration: Feb 1991
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Hounslow
Inferred County: London
Volume: 13
Page: 1316

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 4 May 2013 22:31

The 1911 Irish census is free online at

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

only 2 John Hynans that could be possible's in Limerick.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 May 2013 22:31

Miranda - how did you make the connection from Lawrence to John Hynan b 1859 and the John T Hynan you were originally asking about?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 May 2013 22:54

I'm not saying that this is Lawrence's father, but I'm posting it for consideration when you get some more hard facts:

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: John Hynan
Birth Parish: Doon
Birth County: Limerick
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 11548
Regiment Name: Royal Irish Regiment
Number of images: 5

When he enlisted at Clonmel on 4 May 1916 he said he was a labourer and was born 3 May 1898 which was claiming he was 18. His father was a John Hynan of Carrickmore, Doon, Limerick.

However, he was discharged 29 May 1916 for making a mis-statement as to his age. (Sounds like he said he was older than he really was).

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 4 May 2013 23:42

Following Miranda's earlier suggestion of looking at her tree I've sent a pm to that effect.

Miranda

Miranda Report 5 May 2013 08:56

marie celeste I have given permission to view my tree :)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 May 2013 12:21

Thanks Miranda, after having a quick look it all seems fine back to Laurence but then the confusion sets in. You know you're 100% on track to that point as he is your grandfather.

If you're confident with the age you have for Laurence (born c1925) then we really have to discount that 1994 death as that John Joseph Hynan would only have been around 10 or 11 when Laurence was born. On the other hand, if Laurence was very young when he married in 1951 then it is a possible. If he was, say, 18 he would have been born in the early 1930s which would make that 1994 death a possible for the father.

BUT - that would then rule out the 1919 marriage between John Hynan and Bridget Egan as they would only have been 6 years old (but there could be another marriage somewhere between people of those names - Bridget Egan is a far from unusual name).

The first mention I see of Laurence on the London Electoral Rolls is 1952 which means that he'd either only just reached voting age (21) then or he'd lived elsewhere before that. Personally, I'd go with the first option seeing as he married in London the previous year.

Is there anyone in the family still around who would have attended Laurence's father's funeral and can remember where and when it took place?

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 5 May 2013 12:30

I looked late last night and the John Hynan, Limerick, on the 1911 Irish was aged 10, which would tie in with that military record MC.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 May 2013 12:38

If it were me, I'd definitely be buying Laurence's marriage certificate to check his age (I can't find a birth reg for him - was he known by any other names?)

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1951
HYNAN Lawrence WOLFE Kensington 5c 2999
WOLFE Ann HYNAN Kensington 5c 2999

Order from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ it will cost £9.25

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 May 2013 12:47

Rose, I saw that too - there's also a John in Carrig More who would fit the bill for the father (age 43 and married less than 1 year which could be why the lad was with grandparents).

Miranda, in case you're wondering what we're on about, this link takes you to a 10 year old John Hynan:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Doon_South/Toomaline_Lower/643525/

and this one to a possible for his father:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Oola/Carrig_More/644013/

These are a possible for the military record I posted which in turn is a possible for the John Hynan who married Bridget Egan in 1919.

Miranda

Miranda Report 5 May 2013 13:33

Laurence was know as Larry

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 May 2013 13:55

Still not finding him, although I can find his siblings .....

Miranda

Miranda Report 5 May 2013 13:57

strange

Miranda

Miranda Report 5 May 2013 13:59

can we find his fathers details through the siblings?

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 5 May 2013 14:14

I think this might be the 1901 census for th Larry showing in 1911

Residents of a house 11 in Toomaline Lower (Doon South, Limerick)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Horrigan Mary 50 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic
Horrigan Laurence 26 Male Son Roman Catholic
Horrigan James 15 Male Son Roman Catholic

might be worth looking for a sister ( note there is a gap between ages of sons) who married Hynan?

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 5 May 2013 14:17

There was mention I think that Laurence might have been born Tipperary?

Possible????

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 about Ellen Horrigan
Name: Ellen Horrigan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1898
Registration district: Tipperary
Volume: 3
Page Number: 457
FHL Film Number: 101259
Records on Page:
Name
Johanna Crough
Catherine Compton
Ellen Horrigan <<<<<<<<<<<<
John Hynan <<<<<<<<<
Denis Martin
Edward Buckley

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 5 May 2013 14:22

Miranda, you can find his father's details from his marriage certificate. It should give you his father's name and occupation - it won't tell you things like his father's age or where born. It won't tell you about his mother.

If you order an Irish birth certificate it would give you the following about the child:

Date of birth
Place of birth (townland or urban street name/house number
Name of child (sometimes blank or 'male' or 'female' if not yet decided
Sex of child
Father's name and address (townland or street name/house number)
Mother's name and maiden name
Father's occupation
Name, address and 'qualification' (relationship) of informant.
Date registered
Name of registrar.
Superintendent Registrar's District
County

Although this time you're getting the mother's name it won't tell you the parent's ages.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 5 May 2013 14:27

It's a long shot, but given that John is with his grandparents in 1911, if that IS him and Ellen Horrigan was his mother....

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958

Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries

NAME:
Ellen Hynan
BIRTH:
abt 1878
DEATH:
Jun 1902 - Tipperary

But the first step is definitely the Hynan / Wolfe marriage cert.

Miranda

Miranda Report 5 May 2013 14:44

also looking for frederick mcleod 1882-1916 s parents Private, Border Regiment 7th Bn died in the somme france

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 5 May 2013 14:53

This one Miranda?

McLEOD, FREDERICK

Rank:
Private
Service No:
27606
Date of Death:
31/10/1916
Age:
35
Regiment/Service:
Border Regiment

7th Bn.
Grave Reference
VI. P. 7.
Cemetery
GUARDS' CEMETERY, LESBOEUFS
Additional Information:
Husband of Jane Elizabeth McLeod, of 34, Constance St., Silvertown, London.