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daughters paternal side..please help

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leesle

leesle Report 5 May 2013 22:04

Hi
My daughters great granparents were william harry foster and louie w. Harkness married 1938 manchester s. Louie was born in 1911 prestwich, but I cant find her parents marriage and she just misses the 1911 census.

William harry, I have no year of birth for, or parents, or siblings but I was always told he was from great budworth, northwich, cheshire. Any help gratefully received. Thankyou all.

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:13

Buy the birth cert for full parental info

Buy the marriage cert for info about the groom's father

Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%)
Foster William H Harkness Manchester S. 8d 337
Harkness Louie W Foster Manchester S. 8d 337


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Death
Name: FOSTER, Louie Warren
Registration district: Vale Royal
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1989
Month of registration: November
Date of Birth:8 May 1911
Volume no: 35
Page no: 1085
Reg no: 1189

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 5 May 2013 22:13

Do you know if Louie had any siblings?

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:17

Suggestion ONLY

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Ferns Walter Manchester 8d 298
Harkness Thomas Ramsey Manchester 8d 298
Warren Louisa Manchester 8d 298
Wynne Frances Manchester 8d 298

Lancs BMD shows who married whom

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1896

HARKNESS Thomas R WARREN Louisa Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/137/24
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1911 census

Person: HARKNESS, Thomas Ramsay Address: 6 Mill St Police Buildings Bradford Manchester

HARKNESS, Thomas Ramsay Head Married M 36 1875 Police Constable Manchester Birkenhead Cheshire VIEW
HARKNESS, Louisa Wife Married F 37 1874 Ardwick Manchester VIEW
HARKNESS, Frida Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Ardwick Manchester VIEW


Louie's birth was in the BRADFORD area of Manchester......see LancsBMD

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:20

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Harkness Jean Warren Prestwich 8d 672

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:21

1908 from LancsBMD

HARKNESS Freda E R Ardwick Manchester ARD/409/87

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:25

Marriages Jun 1933 (>99%)
Davies James Harkness Manchester S. 8d 559
Harkness Freda E R Davies Manchester S. 8d 559

Died in the same area as Louie

Death
Name: DAVIES, Freda Elizabeth R
Registration district: Vale Royal
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1996
Month of registration: Decembe
rDate of Birth:14 September 1908
District no: 3451B
Reg no: 1F
Ent no: 025
DOR: 1296

Christine

Christine Report 5 May 2013 22:25

Another couple of possibles?

Marriages Sep 1901
Cadman Ellen Prestwich 8d 623
CROWTHER Thomas Allen Prestwich 8d 623
Harkness Maitland Prestwich 8d 623 <<
HAXBY Florence Beatrice Prestwich 8d 623

Marriages Dec 1905
ASHLEY Arthur Prestwich 8d 556
HARKNESS Charles Napier Prestwich 8d 556 <<
HUNT Mary Alice Prestwich 8d 556
McKINLESS Annie Elizabeth Prestwich 8d 556

leesle

leesle Report 5 May 2013 22:26

Thankyou to everyone for that..
That certainly is the right death too
Many thanks for answering

patchem

patchem Report 5 May 2013 22:27

This is a birth in the correct area, but it is too speculative. You need the marriage certificate for name of father, to check him in 1911 census.

Births Sep 1910
FOSTER William H Runcorn 8a 203

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:27

This birth is in the area you mention.....BUT......................you need the marriage cert for factual info

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
FOSTER William H Runcorn 8a 203

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:29

If the death is right, the odds are that the other Harkness info is correct...........her second name was the MMN

Reggie

Reggie Report 5 May 2013 22:30

When you get the marriage cert, you'll know which of these is right

1911 census

Person: FOSTER, William Henry Address: White Hart Farm Great Budworth Northwich

FOSTER, William Head Married M 44 1867 Farmer Cheshire Gt Budworth VIEW
FOSTER, Agnes Emma Wife Married1 years F 36 1875 Derbyshire Grassmoor VIEW
FOSTER, William Henry Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Cheshire Gt Budworth VIEW
ELLIOTT, Elizabeth Boarder Single F 19 1892 Elementary School Teacher Liverpool

OR...................

1911 census


Person: FOSTER, Willie Address: 83 Halton Road

FOSTER, Joseph Head Married M 40 1871 Bricklayers Labourer Tipton Staffordshire VIEW
FOSTER, Magie Wife Married15 years F 39 1872 Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FINDLOW, Owen Son Single M 20 1891 Stone Mason Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Thirza Daughter Single F 14 1897 Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Evelyn Daughter F 13 1898 School Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Emily Daughter F 11 1900 School Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Elsie Daughter F 10 1901 School Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Herbert Son M 8 1903 School Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Annie Daughter F 4 1907 Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Samuel Son M 2 1909 Runcorn Cheshire VIEW
FOSTER, Willie Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Runcorn Cheshire VIEW

leesle

leesle Report 5 May 2013 22:43

Thanks for all your hard work its definately the great budworth one, fascinating

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 May 2013 00:19

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about William Foster
Name: William Foster
Spouse Name : Agnes Emma Gleadhall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration district: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 493

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 May 2013 00:43

1891 England Census
about William Foster
Name: William Foster
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Foster
Mother's Name: Sarah A Foster
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Budworth, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Great Budworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Budworth
Town: Great Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2829
Folio: 78
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
John Foster 58 (Farmer)
Sarah A Foster 57 Penketh Lancashire
James Foster 26
William Foster 24
John E Foster 12 (Grandson)
Clara Humphreys 22 (Boarder)



1901 England Census
about Sarah A Foster
Name: Sarah A Foster
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Penketh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Budworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Budworth
Town: Great Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 3331
Folio: 18
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah A Foster 67 (Widow) Farmer (Employer)
Wm Foster 34 (Farmers Son)
Jno Edward Foster 22 (Grandson)
Florence E Saker 25 (Boarder)



1881 England Census
about Sarah A. Foster
Name: Sarah A. Foster
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jno. Foster
Gender: Female
Where born: Pinketh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: Church Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3512
Folio: 77
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Foster 48
Sarah A. Foster 47
Albert Foster 11
Jno.E. Foster 2 (Grandson)



1881 England Census
about William Foster
Name: William Foster
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Budworth, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Aston By Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: New Farm
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Lymm
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3508
Folio: 62
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Moss 38
Hannah E. Moss 30
Lucy Moss 7
William Moss 4
Charles Moss 3
Ellen Moss 1
Henry Wright 20
William Mather 18
William Foster 14 >>>>Ag Lab



1871 England Census
about Sarah Ann Foster
Name: Sarah Ann Foster
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Foster
Gender: Female
Where born: Penketh, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Great Budworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 3688
Folio: 74
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
John Foster 38
Sarah Ann Foster 37
Margaret Foster 10
James Foster 6
William Foster 4
Albert Henry Foster 1

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 6 May 2013 00:46

1861 England Census
about Sarah Foster
Name: Sarah Foster
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Foster
Gender: Female
Where born: Penketh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Budworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 2595
Folio: 76
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
John Foster 28
Sarah Foster 27
John Foster 7
Thomas Foster 6
Sarah A Foster 4
Magaret Foster


mgnv

mgnv Report 6 May 2013 05:19

1881 England Census
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Crissey St
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 4002 Folio: 100 Page Number: 86

Maitland H. Harkness 31 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Head M Police Constable
Mary Ellen Harkness 32 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife M
Jessie Margt. Harkness 10 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Daughter Scholar
Thos.R. Harkness 6 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Son Scholar
Maitland Harkness 4 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Son Scholar
Fredk. Harkness 2 Manchester Son

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HARKNESS Maitland H HARTLEY Mary E Liverpool, St. Alban Liverpool 2017LP/2/138


Ancestry has a hit for:
Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Maitland Hope Harkness year dd mm year city Mary Ellen Hartley name surname

**** BUT I DON'T HAVE A SUB ****.

[I presume St Alban was in the Vauxhall/Bevington Rd area, so abt 2km NNE of the Liver Bldg]

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 May 2013 11:51

Following on from mgnv:

Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Maitland Hope Harkness - time keeper
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1870
Parish: Bevington, St Alban
Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Hartley
Father's Name: Thomas Harkness - joiner
Spouse Father's Name: James Hartley - butcher
Reference Number: 283 ALB/3/2

Groom was a bachelor, bride a 22 yr old spinster.

Both bride and groom were of Bond Street.

Both were able to sign their names.

Witnesses were Martha Hartley, who made her mark, and James Bostock.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 6 May 2013 12:12

Census 1851:

RG number: HO107
Piece: 2175
Folio: 573
Page: 9
Reg. District: Wirral
Sub District: Birkenhead
Parish: Birkenhead
Enum. District: 1Q
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 35, Morpeth Road, Birkenhead County: Cheshire

HARKNESS, Thomas Head Married M 36 1815 Joiner Scotland<<<<<<
HARKNESS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 36 1815 Scotland
HARKNESS, John N Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire
HARKNESS, Isabella Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 At Home Birkenhead, Cheshire
HARKNESS, Maitland Son Unmarried M 1 1850 At Home Birkenhead, Cheshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<