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Emma Eliza Humphrey 1879 Kent

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jansmith

jansmith Report 9 May 2013 22:37

1901 Richard in Brenchley is a farm lab.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 May 2013 22:39

Also Ag Lab in 1891:


1891 England Census about Richard Humphrey
Name: Richard Humphrey
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Humphrey
Gender: Male
Where born: Brenchley, Kent, England

Civil parish: Brenchley
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Brenchley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Brenchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 683
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Humphrey 28
Emma Humphrey 26
George Humphrey 8
Richard Humphrey 6
Edward F Humphrey 4
William Humphrey 3
Catherine Humphrey 1

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 08:53

Gosh!! so many Emma Humphreys' The Emma Eliza Humphrey I have was born c1890, as she was aged 21 on her marriage to William Cant..It says her father is Richard Humphrey "labourer" and Williams is Henry Cant (dec) witnesses were Richard Cant and Ellen (Green) I think.. The story circulating is that Emmas mother Eliza Baker left her husband and went to live in the household of William Day (he registered her death in 1894) she took her son William but Edward found her and swopped William for Emma, and nothing was heard from father again, so I'm wondering where Richard fits in? Was Richard her brother?? Am I the only one who is seeing that the father listed is actually called "Richard" ?? and NOT Edward.
:-S

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 09:19

Hi,
I have come in a bit late to this thread........it looks like her father could have been Richard...in answer to your question.
I have a question....was Baker Emmas mothers maiden name?



If it was...have found these marriages... not sure who married who yet !!!

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BAKER Eliza Poplar 1c 731
DARBY Bertha Poplar 1c 731
HUMPHREY Edward Poplar 1c 731
REEVES Joseph Poplar 1c 731



Regards Vera

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 09:31

Hi Vera

According to various sources Emma Eliza's mother was Eliza Baker.... I do have the marriage between Edward and Eliza in 1881..Thats why I don't understand why daughter Emma Eliza Humphrey has said her father is Richard, and according to the marriage in 1912 Richard is still living and witnessed by a Richard Humphrey. .Her father Edward apparently left Emma with her mother around 1892-1894 (1894 is when Eliza Baker died) so Emma would have been very young and wouldn't have had much contact with her father??

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 09:35

According to the marriage for Edward Humphrey in 1881 his occupation is "fire brigade" and the address was ----dale Street,, but I am unable to trace either of them at this address, I cant even find Edward in 1881 at all..

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 09:36

Hi,
She said her father was Richard either because she didn't know it was Edward...or she didn't want to acknowledge that he was her father, because of what had happened between her mother and father. Only guessing!!.


Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 09:38

1881
Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HUMPHRY, Edward Head Married M 22 1859 Metropolitan Fire Brigade (Munic)
Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Eliza Wife Married F 23 1858
Banstead, Surrey VIEW
Piece: 464
Folio: 84
Page: 8
Registration District: Stepney
Civil Parish: Ratcliff
Municipal Borough:
Address: 19, Broad Street, Ratcliff
County: London, Middlesex
refine search back to 1881 census search results 1881 address search




Regards Vera

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 09:39

Mmm I thought perhaps she didn't really know her fathers name and since Edward /Richard are similar she may well have got it wrong...But who is the Richard Humphrey "witness" to the marriage, that's the part which has thrown me, ever so slightly !! :-S

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 09:40

Ooohh!! well done Vera thanks for the 1881 census xx :-D :-D

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 09:41

Does it say where Edward was born??

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 09:46

Unfortunately just states Kent.....not very helpful.!!!


Regards Vera

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 10:03

Now I'm confused!
Are we saying that the Emma born in Brenchley, with parents Richard and Emma in the censuses posted earlier is definitely not the right one?

She has brothers Richard and Edward.

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 10:05

Oh my gosh, just seen another 1881 census listing Eliza Humphrey aged 24 married, living with her parents John Baker...Heeeelp

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 10:07

These are the only Emma Humphrey births in Kent between 1887 and 1895. Which one do we think is hers? Obviously not the first two. The other two have already been posted as possibilities:

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Blanche Tunbridge 2a 712
Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
HUMPHREY Emma Jane Ticehurst 2b 119
Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Tunbridge 2a 704
Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Elizabeth Medway 2a 605

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 10:08

Yes Vera!! that looks like the very same Edward, he took his two sons James and William from his wife Eliza and left Emma...I did see another marriage for him to a Mrs Todd...But what do you think of the other 1881 census, surely cant be the same Eliza Humphreys, but my golly its frustrating..

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 10:11

She was Emma Eliza, haven't been able to trace a birth where it lists her mother, she was aged 20 on the 1911 census and then aged 21 on her marriage in 1912 so I'm guessing her birth would have been 1890 -1891
:-S

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 10:14

Well, Nancy, there is no birth for Emma Humphrey in Kent in either of those years (on FreeBMD), with or without a middle name.

Is this a possibility? (Just playing devil's advocate!):

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Baker Emma Elham 2a 1027

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 10:16

Your nae the only one confused argyllgran, Emma's states her father was Richard, but he dumped her with the mother Eliza who died in 1894, this was Edward. The marriage says Edward and since Emma didn't have any contact with her father in over 20 years were assuming she has got the name mixed up, but yes your right, whos the witness then ??

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 10:18

Well you just never know argyllgran, she did have 2 other daughters Violet and Lillian, who she claims were William Humphrey, but she was living with a William Day in 1891 at the time..