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Janet Miller b. 1890 "Scotland"

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Julie

Julie Report 10 May 2013 10:41

Can anyone help with my Scottish side of the family my Grandmother Janet Miller b.1890 so many girls born at the same time called the same. Mine married Robert McMorran b. 1888 in Roxburghshire. For my English family I use FreeBMD to confirm births deaths and find marriages but Im stuck when it comes to the Scottish side of my family any tips on my searching greatly received. :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 10:53

You need to use Scotlands People - excellent site.
It's not a subscription site - you'll have to buy credits. £7 for 30 credits.

Ancestry has Scottish census records to 1901, but for 1911 (also earlier ones, of course) and BDM's you need Scotlands People.

There's no free equivalent to FreeBMD, though you might find something on Family Search.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 10:54

Is there something in particular you want to know about your grandmother?

Julie

Julie Report 10 May 2013 11:07

Im not after anything in particular just who was she who was her Mum and Dad and siblings because Ive never really known anything about her. My family tree is very lop sided hardly anything on it.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 11:07

This is the only marriage in the whole of Scotland between people of those names, between 1900 and 1920:

1918 MCMORRAN ROBERT JOHN JAM
MILLER JANET
GALASHIELS /SELKIRK 775/00 0024

Julie

Julie Report 10 May 2013 11:08

I meant to say hardly anything on my Dads side thats why its lop sided.

Julie

Julie Report 10 May 2013 11:19

Thank you thats them. Do you know how to get a copy of Scottish marriage certs ??

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 11:23

Using 5 credits to view the image of marriage above.
Details:

22/05/1918
At Ladhope Parish Manse, Galashiels

Robert John Jamieson McMorran, powerloom tuner, bachelor, age 30;
Usual address: Buckholm Mill Cottages, Galashiels;
Parents: David McMorran, factory engineman, and Elizabeth McMorran, ms Robertson.

Janet Miller, woollen weaver, age 22;
Usual address: 36 Wilderhaugh, Galashiels;
Parents: James Miller, woollen carder, and Janet Miller (deceased), ms Dowell.

Witnesses: Robert McMorrow Hymers and Euphemia Miller.

Hope that gives you a start!
Sorry can't afford credits to search further - you'll have to buy your own!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 11:28

Re copies of Scottish records,

you can view images of originals on Scotlands People as above example, or order from here:

http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/bdm.html

Julie

Julie Report 10 May 2013 11:32

That is brilliant thank you so much. Thats my Dads auntie I called her auntie Phemie (Euphemia) The witness Robert McMorrow Hymers do you think they made a spelling mistake and its McMorran ??? Thanks Very much for your help :-D :-D Ive got all this great info now and I have to go to work now :-(

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 11:36

Sorry, my mistake - yes, it's McMorran.

There's a member's tree on Ancestry which has her details (don't know how accurate). Says her birth was 28/09/1895, in Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 11:58

1891

Name: Robert John McMorran
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Galashiels, Roxburghshire
Registration number: 776B
Registration district: Ladhope
Civil parish: Melrose
Town: Galashiels
County: Selkirkshire
Address: 133 Highbuckholmside
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 64
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_382
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Robertson 87, Former Gardener, b. Ockwood, Selkirkshire
Davie McMorran 26, Wool Carder, b. Lismore, Argyleshire
Elizabeth Robertson 25, b. Stow, Midlothian
Elizabeth Scott Robertson 5
Robert John McMorran 3

1901

Name: Robert McMorran
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: David McMorran
Mother's Name: Elizabeth McMorran
Gender: Male
Where born: Galashiels, selkirkshire
Registration number: 775
Registration district: Galashiels
Civil parish: Galashiels
Town: Galashiels
County: Selkirkshire
Address: 193, Magdala Terrace
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 24
Household schedule number: 79
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1901_419
Household Members:
Name Age
David McMorran 35, Mill Engineman, b. kilchern lesmore, Argyllshire
Elizabeth McMorran 35
Elizabeth McMorran 15
Robert McMorran 13
Maggie McMorran 8

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 12:10

1881

Name: Elizabeth Robertson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Where born: Stow, Midlothian
Registration number: 776B
Registration district: Ladhope
Civil parish: Melrose
County: Selkirkshire
Address: 133 H Buckholmside
Occupation: Millworker
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 75
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_314
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Robertson 74
Elizabeth Robertson 77
Elizabeth Robertson 16

1851

Name: Richard Robertson
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Robertson
Gender: Male
Where born: Yarrow, selkirksh
Parish Number: 775
Civil parish: Galashiels
Town: Galashiels
County: Selkirkshire
Address: Tannage Street
Occupation: Masons Lab
ED: 2A
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 328
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_199
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Robertson 45
Elizabeth Robertson 44. b. Hawick
William Robertson 19
Gedion Robertson 17
Richard Robertson 14
Janet Robertson 17
Elizabeth Robertson 8
Walter Robertson 4
Malcom Cambell 19


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 12:17

1881

Name: David McMoran
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth McMoran
Gender: Male
Where born: Lismore, Argyleshire
Registration number: 775
Registration district: Galashiels
Civil parish: Galashiels
Town: Galashiels
County: Selkirkshire
Address: 85 Wood Street
Occupation: Millworker
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 162
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_313
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth McMoran 45, b. Stow, Midlothian
James McMoran 21, b. Stow, Midlothian
William McMoran 19, b. Lismore, Argyleshire
David McMoran 17
Elizabeth McMoran 15, b. Stow, Midlothian
Margaret McMoran 15 b. Stow, Midlothian
Thomas McMoran 12 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
John J McMoran 10 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire
Robert McMoran 5 b. Galashiels, Selkirkshire

1871

Name: Robert Mcmorran
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Mcmorran
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawford, Lanark
Registration number: 775/2
Registration district: Galashiels Landward
Civil parish: Galashiels
County: Selkirkshire
Address: Kilnknowe Cottage
Occupation: Shepherd
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 61
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1871_177
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Mcmorran 40
Elizabeth Mcmorran 34
James Mcmorran 11
William Mcmorran 9
David Mcmorran 7
Elizabeth Mcmorran 5
Margaret Mcmorran 5
Thomas Mcmorran 2
John I Mcmorran 10 Mo


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 12:22

1861

Name: Robert McMorran
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth McMorran
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 525/1
Registration district: Lismore
Civil parish: Lismore
County: Argyll
Address: Fart Point
Occupation: Shepherd
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 54
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_71
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert McMorran 31
Elizabeth McMorran 25
James McMorran 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 12:30

Possible for the witness at Robert and Janet's wedding?

1901

Name: Robert Hymers
Age: 5 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Wm Hymers
Mother's Name: Maggie Hymers
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
Town: Edinburgh
County: Midlothian
Address: 4 Dalrymple Pl
ED: 50
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1901_387
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Hymers 37
Maggie Hymers 34, b. Stow, Midlothian
Eliz Hymers 3
Wm Hymers 1
Robert Hymers 5 Months
Robert Mcmorran 25, b. Galashiels, selkirkshire

Looks like Robert McMorran Hymers is a first cousin of Robert. Maggie Hymers looks to be a sister of David McMorran and that looks like his younger brother Robert living with the Hymers.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 12:36

Looks as if Robert McMorran's parents didn't marry until between 1891 and 1901. And Elizabeth Scott Robertson may therefore have been illegitimate, but adopted by stepfather David after marriage.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 12:50

Name: David Mcmorran
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1863
Birthplace: LISMORE,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Robert Mcmorran
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Lowrie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11525-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:

???

Name: Elizabeth Robertson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 07 Jun 1864
Birthplace: STOW,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Robertson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11699-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:


Name: Elizabeth Laurie
Gender: Female
Christening Place: , STOW, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1835
Birthplace: , Stow, Midlothian, Scotland
Father's Name: James Laurie
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Jamison
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11699-6
System Origin: Scotland-VR
GS Film number: 1067791
Reference ID: 2:186VGWR


Name: Robert Macmoran
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Jun 1837
Christening Place: , CRAWFORD, LANARK, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 29 May 1837
Father's Name: Adam Macmoran
Mother's Name: Jean Gibson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11635-4
System Origin: Scotland-VR
GS Film number: 1066586
Reference ID: 2:16K0CN7


If you buy credits for Scotlandspeople and look for BMDs for the above after Statutory registration began in 1855 you will be able to confirm that these are the correct people for your family.

Scottish certificates give more information than English ones. e.g. Scottish death certificates give the names of the parents of the deceased including the mother's maiden surname if the informant knows the details.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 12:57

1861

Name: Robert McMorran
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relationship: Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 635/1
Registration district: Crawford
Civil parish: Crawford
County: Lanarkshire
Address: North Shortcleugh
Occupation: Shepherd
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_94
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Gibson 21
Mary Gibson 43
Robert Gibson 10
James Gibson 13
Robert McMorran 23
Marion Veitch 50

1841

Name: Robert Mcmorran
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Carnwath
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Gadwoodend
Parish Number: 632
Household Members:
Name Age
James Mcmorran 45, Farmer
William Mcmorran 15
James Mcmorran 11
Robert Mcmorran 7
Mary Adams 15
Agnes Cunningham 20

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 May 2013 13:25

1841

Name: Elizabeth Laurie
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Stow
County: Midlothian
Address: Cortleferry
Parish Number: 699
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurie 38
Elizabeth Laurie 38
Margaret Laurie 15
John Laurie 13
Gabella Laurie 10
Ellen Laurie 7
Elizabeth Laurie 5
Alison Laurie 2
William Laurie 4



James and Elizabeth died after 1861 so hopefully their death certificates will name their parents.

Name: James Laurie
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Laurie
Gender: Male
Where born: Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Registration number: 699
Registration district: Stow
Civil parish: Stow
County: Midlothian
Address: Fernieherst Steward House
Occupation: Farm Steward
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_133
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurie 58
Elizabeth Laurie 58, b. Peebles, Peeblesshire
Helen Laurie 26
William Laurie 20
James Wood 5


Name: James Lowrie
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jamieson:
Event Date: 21 Nov 1824
Event Place: Peebles,Peebles,Scotland
Spouse's Father's Name: John Jamieson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11768-7
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1067921
Reference ID: