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ablemable

ablemable Report 13 May 2013 23:07

Absolute beginner. Looking for James Tarpey born C 1878. I can find him in 1901 census stating Manchester as place of birth, but i cannot find a birth record anywhere in Lancashire. what do i need to do know?
Confused Marie

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2013 23:11

If he married his dads name if known will be on the marriage cert

Did you find him with family on the 1901 census ?

How have you got back to him ??

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2013 23:15

Is this him on the 1901 birth yaers 1873

Name: James Tarpey
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Tarpey
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 3754
Folio: 126
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tarpey 28
Mary Ellen Tarpey 26
James Tarpey 9 Months
Martha McCaffery 25

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3754; Folio: 126; Page: 8.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2013 23:16

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about James Tarpey
Name: James Tarpey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1899
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 477

spouse Mary Ellen Traynor

LindaB

LindaB Report 13 May 2013 23:19

Possible birth ??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
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TARPY James Manchester 8d 262

Linda

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2013 23:21

Name: James Tarpey
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Angel St Rochdale Rd Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Station Porter
Registration district: Manchester
Registration District Number: 466
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 24136
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tarpey 39
Mary Ellen Tarpey 32
James Tarpey 10
Sarah Ellen Tarpey 8
John Tarpey 5
Leo Tarpey 2
Eliza Tarpey 5
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 24136.

married 12 years 5 children born all living

ablemable

ablemable Report 13 May 2013 23:22

Thank so much for this. I have this info, but i am not sure how the find out where was born. the census states Manchester, but even doing a wider search of Lancashire I cant find anything.

thank you
Marie

patchem

patchem Report 13 May 2013 23:28

Have you got his marriage certificate with the name of his Father?
Thanks

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2013 23:34

???
1881 England Census about James Tarpey
Name: James Tarpey
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Bridget Tarpey
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Spring Street
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4512
Folio: 77
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Bridget Tarpey 38 b Leitrim Ireland occ tailoress
John Tarpey 20
Mary Tarpey 18
Bridget Tarpey 17
George Tarpey 13
Elizabeth Tarpey 12
Patrick Tarpey 10
Joseph Tarpey 8
James Tarpey 6
James Hy. Waui 21

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4512; Folio: 77; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1342082.



1891 England Census about James Tarpey
Name: James Tarpey
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Bridget Tarpey
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmunds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:2 Copper Street

Occupation:carter

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3684
Folio: 137
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Bridget Tarpey 51
Bridget Tarpey 27
Elizabeth Tarpey 22
Patrick Tarpey 20
Joseph Tarpey 18
James Tarpey 16
Mary M Rice 1
Patrick Fox 56

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3684; Folio: 137; Page: 26; GSU Roll: 6098794.

Liam

Liam Report 14 May 2013 00:33

Following on from Shirley

Bridget Tarpey maiden name Fox. born 1843 , Leitrim
Father= Patrick Torpy [ Tarpey ] born 1838 /ireland,as per 1871 census
" Market St, Manchester"

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 May 2013 06:48

It may be his birth wasnt registered .there were no penalties before 1875 for non registration .

He may have been Catholic and his parents thought baptism was all that was necessary,
If we have picked up the right James them you need his marriage cert for his dads name as he seems to be the youngest child.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 May 2013 06:55

?

Name: Patrick Tarpey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1881
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 68

patchem

patchem Report 14 May 2013 06:56

In that 1891 census Patrick Fox, 56, Ireland, licensed hawker, is recorded as 'brother'.

Bridget still claims married

Added:
Marriages Jun 1858
Broadbent William Leeds 9b 463
xxxFox Bridget Leeds 9b 463
Rhodes Charlotte Leeds 9b 463
xxxxTarpy Patrick Leeds 9b 463

patchem

patchem Report 14 May 2013 07:03

?
1861 England Census
Bridget Tarpy Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Aunt
Gender: Female Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Leeds Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 3378 Folio: 77 Page Number: 28
James Fox 20
Ellen Fox 26
Maria Fox 17
Annie Fox 11
Bridget Tarpy 22 married
Thomas Tarpy 2 Leeds
John Tarpy 1 Months Leeds
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3378; Folio: 77; Page: 28; GSU roll: 543122.

You need the marriage certificate for name of Father.
Why moving Leeds, Manchester, Leeds?

Dea

Dea Report 14 May 2013 08:45

This could be a 'possible' for the birth?

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
TARPHE James Ardwick Manchester ARD/107/41

From LancsBMD site.

Dea x

ablemable

ablemable Report 14 May 2013 10:55

Thank you all so much. I have such a lot to learn.
i can't imagine doing my mothers family she has Polish ancestors.



Marie xx

Dea

Dea Report 14 May 2013 11:00

Hi Marie,

The first and most important thing that you must learn is NEVER to 'assume' that you are following the correct family without proof !

You must start with what you know to be true and work backwards ! ;-)

How have you worked back to this James on the 1901 and have you proved that he is the correct one with certs?

If you want us to check through this for you just post the details.

Good luck!

Dea x

ablemable

ablemable Report 14 May 2013 11:45

Hi Dea,

I started with my gdad James Tarpey who I know was born 1900. He shows up in both 1901, 9 weeks old and 1911 at 10 yrs old. His dad is named as James, and in 1901 he is 28. After that I can't any birth record.
I'm sure I will get the hang of it.

One thing that has shocked me so far, is that my gdad had 7 siblings that I knew nothing about. If i don't get any further with my search I am now looking for living relatives which is very exciting.


Thank you so much

Marie x

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 14 May 2013 17:57

It might be as well to start with your g granddad's birth certificate which would confim his parents names. You say you know he was born in 1900 but from both the 1901 & 1911 census he was born in 1901

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Tarpey James Manchester 8d 275

I assume you have proved he was the right one from details about his marriage and your grandad's birth

ablemable

ablemable Report 14 May 2013 19:49

Hi Ann,

This my first week doing this, I haven't even found out how to get a birth certificate yet! can be this be done by email? I do know for sure this is the right one because of the address on the census.

Thank you for your help

Marie x