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Minnie Maria Close - Born Henbury Glos Update

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HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 May 2013 06:33

yeah thought of that too Mike lol :-)

I have seen the marriage and some of my cousin's relatives did come from Pontypool area.

working the death in 1906 angle...what if Thomas was much older than Minnie?

aagghh so frustrating!!

Will send for that marriage and hopefully it will at the very least give us a birth date for Thomas.


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 21 May 2013 19:04

OK I am still waiting for the marriage certificate and will post here once I know what it tells me about Thomas.

Meanwhile...a distraction.

Minnie's half-sister Eliza Close was my cousin's great grandmother. I have identified what I am fairly sure is her birth registration

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
CLOSE Eliza Clifton 6a 138

and I have what I think is her death (although it is ElizaBETH and the age is a bit out) but it ties in with a death in Nash where they lived.

Name: Elizabeth Jenkins
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Age at Death: 53
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a Page: 247

I have all the censuses - including as posted earlier her being in two places at once in 1881 ;-)

In those 1881 censuses she is Eliza right age right POB in Christchurch Newport - a dairymaid and she is Elizabeth right POB but slightly older but crucially with her father and stepmother across the Severn in Henbury...but she is single in both censuses.

By 1891 this is her as wife to Robert

Name: Eliza Jenkins
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Jenkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Nash
Ecclesiastical parish: Nash
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4370
Folio: 86
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Jenkins 43
Eliza Jenkins 27
Ann Jenkins 9
Beatrice Jenkins 1
James Close 8
Florence Close 6
William Ellis 28

Ann is daughter to the head as is Beatrice; James and Florence are stepchildren.
In 1911 they declare they have been married for 26 years.

But I cannot find a marriage.....

My cousin thinks she was married before Robert to a Carter....and I can't find a marriage for that either.

As James and Florence were registered as Close I reckon even if Mr Carter was their father he's not on the certificate and they weren't married. And I am not convinced that she and Robert were either.

So as I say - a slight distraction expecting fully for you to tell me I'm right and they can't possibly have married :-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 May 2013 21:23

last name:Jenkins
First Name:Elizabeth
Place / Parish:Nash
Burial Year:1917
Burial Month:Jan
Burial Day:30
Record source:Monmouthshire Burials - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

(also Robert Jenkins 1913, Bryngwyn Cottage, Nash Road)

Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
CLOSE Florence [7_]4 Newport, M. 11a 1[1_]0

(Burial for above, if relating, age 24, Larch Tree Cottage, Nash)

Chris :)

(not a lot of help, and FMP seems to be down too!)

edits (also below)

Forenames:Beatrice Susannah
Baptism Year:1898
Baptism Month:Mar
Baptism Day:6
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Fathers Forenames:Robert (Labourer)
Mothers Forenames:Eliza
Record source:Monmouthshire Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau
(address, Nash Road)

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Jenkins Beatrice Susanna Newport, M. 11a 174


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 22 May 2013 06:55

Yes Chris think those are all correct. Florence Ellen died of peritonitis. My cousin has a picture of her, Eliza and Beatrice outside Larch Cottage


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 May 2013 07:46

(now adding, FMP all ok!)

Last name:Jenkins
First Name:Robert
Place / Parish:Nash
Burial Year:1913
Burial Month:Jun
Burial Day:15

Last name:Close
First Name:Florence
Place / Parish:Nash
Burial Year:1909
Burial Month:Oct
Burial Day:31

Chris :)


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 24 May 2013 18:23

marriage cert is here ....

him 21 years, his father declared as Robert deceased

So born 1863 ish. Only census results are for the Thomas W who ends up dying in Portsmouth in 1933. This is definitely NOT him - his father was also Robert but that Robert (wife Charlotte) is still alive in 1891 whereas he is deceased at the time of MY Thomas' wedding to Minnie Maria.

I confess I am completely at a loss. Thomas born 1863 does not appear to exist. The only Robert I find is still alive long after the wedding. The Thomas William who is the naval person did indeed have a father called Robert. In 1911 he is married to Louisa supposedly for 8 years but I can't find a wedding. Minnie Maria is widowed by 1911 but I can't find a death for a Thomas that fits. The one in Cardiff in 1906 is for someone who was born around 1846. His probate notice has his executor as Thomas William Beames but neither father nor presumably son match on occupations

Jude :-S :-S :-S