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John Dewhurst 1790+ ??? occ. Carder

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lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 24 May 2013 10:26

just for extra detail - the marriage of John's daughter Betty

Marriage: 3 Feb 1844 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Brewer - 20, Spinner, Bachelor, Bolton St
Elizabeth Dewhurst - 20, Roller Coverer, Spinster, Bolton St
Groom's Father: Late John Brewer, Weaver
Bride's Father: John Dewhurst, Overlooker
Witness: Benjamin Greenwood, (X); Susanna Dewhurst, (X)

Flip

Flip Report 24 May 2013 07:46

EDIT: Pretty sure this is the wrong family - different Thomas/Catherine - will leave for elimination purposes.

Thomas lied about his age if that marriage you've posted is him (which looks likely with the address etc), I wondered if this was them in 1861 - but his birth place is wrong??

Catherine Dewhurst
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Dewhurst
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Wigan
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 59
Piece: 2774
Folio: 76
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dewhurst 28 (carder, born Clitheroe)
Catherine Dewhurst 27
Mary Ellen Dewhurst 2
John Dewhurst 9 Months

Flip

Flip Report 24 May 2013 07:24

Have you checked out William's marriage in 1867 to Ellen Ainsworth (nee Ostick), see how he described his father?

Marriage: 15 Apr 1867 St John the Evangelist, Darwen, Lancashire, England
William Dewhurst - 32, Book keeper, Widower, Star Street
Ellen Ainsworth - Full, Widow, Hacking Street
Groom's Father: John Dewhurst, Manager
Bride's Father: William Ostick, Shoemaker
Witness: William Ostick; Sarah Dixon
Married by Banns by: Henry Headley Moore, Curate
Register: Marriages 1865 - 1879, Page 25, Entry 50
Source: LDS Film 1526205

Ann

Ann Report 24 May 2013 00:01

Greenwood Greenwood, why on earth would you call someone that, and who would have thought that that name would be repeated.

All generation's after William (b: 1835) were thoughtful they called one of their son's Cornelius not to many with that name, where that name came from I don't know. That was another avenue I tried without any luck.

Cheers Ann

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 23 May 2013 23:21

goo luck. There are a few possibles. I did try trying to match with a probate but not too much luck.

Don't you wish that our ancestors who had a surname which was very common in an area would have a nice unusual forename! My bugbear is John & Mary Greenwood, though even the ones called Greenwood Greenwood are not uncommon in the area!

Ann

Ann Report 23 May 2013 23:11

I also feel as if he was still around in 1861. But maybe wishful thinking, hoping for another clue.

I've given up trying to find John so many times trying to take him back a bit further but I just put his file back on the shelf until I think of yet another way I might be able to get a clue.

I have done an address search for Bolton Street Preston in 1861 and the surrounding streets.

When I first started looking for John it was done the hard way on film looking from Street to Street, so much easier these days with the computer programs.

Thank you for Nancy's information. The age for her is perfect, I now have another entry for her albeit a death.

I shall go through the deaths on Lancashire BMD and eliminate them, then try and hopefully find them on the 1851 census so I can discount them.

I have so many Dewhurst from Cemsearch in Preston Cemetery but he's not there.

Thank you, you are so kind spending your time looking for me.
Ann

Flip

Flip Report 23 May 2013 20:43

Never give up hope Ann, I'm not really convinced that he died before 1861 - we just can't find him on the census records - and that could be for a variety of reasons, he maybe was mis-transcribed or simply the census return is missing.

As he was in the same road for a number of years maybe a census address check could throw up more??

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 23 May 2013 14:10

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
DEWHURST Nancy 18 Preston Preston PRES/25/57

no burial shown on lan-opc

Flip

Flip Report 23 May 2013 12:59

Did you search deaths on LancashireBMD site, they have transcribed the age at death (not available on freebmd), they also record the sub-districts.

Ann

Ann Report 23 May 2013 05:51

Maybe a clue :-S
I have found a marriage of Thomas Dewhurst to a Catharine Gregory in 1855
St John's Preston. Thomas father John occupation Carder,
Witness William Dewhurst & Elizabeth Blackhurst
Sounds quite positive John occ. Carder with brother William as witness. also Dover St was the address William (his brother lived at 1855 when he married)

Catharine's father was John, "deceased"
BUT
it doesn't say "deceased" for John Dewhurst.
SO
sounds like John was still alive and that narrows it down a little.

On the down side I looked for a death for John from 1855 -1861 and there was 59 in Lacashire.

I don't stand a chance of finding him do I :-(

Cheers
Ann

Ann

Ann Report 23 May 2013 00:39

Once again thank you so much.

Every bit helps, John didn't have a dau. called Jane.

I haven't got John on the 1861 census.

He isn't with his children,
Susannah b1821 now Greenwood,
Betty b1824 now Brewer,
or William b1835 now in lower Darwen with wife Margaret & Family.

Thomas I don't know where he is in 1861.

Dau. Nancy I think died after 1841 (2 died 1844-5)

From the IGI, I dismissed 2 John's born Claughton one1789 Duhurst (not Dewhurst) born to Leonard and Jane and John b1791 son of Thomas and Helen because they were baptised in a Catholic church and not Church of England.

Thank you
Ann

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 21 May 2013 14:46

the 1872 death of a John age 82 was of John living (and Buried) in Whalley. There is also a probate index record which states probate to Jane Dewhurst spinster daughter, the sole executrix

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 21 May 2013 13:58

sorry - just realised I said I had posted 2 children's reg above

here is the missing one

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWHURST James Preston Preston BLEAZARD PRES/16/54

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 21 May 2013 13:54

it could even be Claughton (on Brock) - N of Preston which is NOT pronounced as it is spelt - I think it is pronounced Clyton or Clayton depending on who is saying it. I'm sure there is someone else around who can confirm that.

There is this one but he is too old

Baptism: 4 Jul 1786 St Andrews, Leyland, Lancashire, England
John Dewhurst - son of Jane Dewhurst
Abode: Clayton
Register: Baptisms 1774 - 1795, Page 53, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 93951

Flip

Flip Report 21 May 2013 12:49

Lancashirebmd transcribe mother's maiden names on some of their records - the grand-daughter was regisetered Elizabeth Greenwood, with mothers maiden name recorded as Dewhurst.

I assumed Susannah was their oldest child, as she was the oldest showing on the 1841 census, and a possible marriage for the parents in 1820 - which has now been discounted as you knew of earlier children.

There are a couple of areas in Lancashire called Clayton - not just Clayton le Moors - there's a Clayton Bridge (near Droylesden, Manchester).

Have you found John Dewhurst in 1861 or 1871 to try to narrow down his death date?

Ann

Ann Report 21 May 2013 00:40

Thank you all, you do so well finding things.

Oooooooh go easy it doesn't take to much to confuse me :-)

I feel John was born Preston with saying Clyton on the 1851 census (Clayton ?)

Yes the marriage 1834 is correct.
I sent for the birth James' birth certificate to confirm the maiden name of his mother (born 1841 died 1842 Preston) (and John's wife)

"Estimated Birth Year:abt 1790
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1872
Age at Death:82
Registration District:Clitheroe"

shall have a look at this one in 1871

"Granddaughter Elizabeth Greenwood birth was registered in the same district (mmn Dewhurst) in 1849"
Strange, I wonder why she was named Dewhurst.

Susannah 1st living child but was their 3rd child
"And oldest child's christening":

Baptism: 29 Jul 1821 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Susannah Dewhurst - [Child] of John Dewhurst & Betty.

I have found the parish record of John Dewhurst who died 1862, this is the one that lived at Crown St. So alas not my John.

Sorry I don't get back to you straight away but I'm asleep (Australia) when all of you get to work on it.

Thanks again
Ann

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 20 May 2013 13:50

aaagh

just to confuse me

Marriage: 3 Feb 1834 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
John Dewhurst - Bachelor, this Parish
Elizabeth Blezard - Spinster, this Parish
Witness: John Blezard; Elizabeth Dover, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thos. Clark Curate
Register: Marriages 1833 - 1837, Page 37, Entry 111
Source: LDS Film 94015

Marriage: 12 Sep 1836 St Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
Roger Dewhurst - This Town & Chapelry
Susannah Blessard - (X), This Town & Chapelry
Witness: Thomas Leeming; John Read
Married by Licence by: J H Anderton
Register: Marriages 1828-1837, Page 150, Entry 450
Source: LDS Film 1278858

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 20 May 2013 13:44

are you sure about Elizabeth Blezard?

as you say there are many john Dewhurst & Elizabeth combinations in the area. but you say Elizabeth died in 1841 but these are the 2 birth with mmn = Blezard

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWHURST John Blackburn Blackburn BLEZARD B/2/49


in fact if you put soundex for the surname there are these 2 as well

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWHURST James Preston Preston BLEAZARD PRES/16/54

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEWHURST Naomi Blackburn Blackburn BLEAZARD B/13/50

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 May 2013 12:22

?????????????

John Dewhurst
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 08 Jan 1800 SAINT FRANCIS AND HILL CHAPEL-RC,GOOSNARGH,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
parents:Thomas Dewhurst, Helen

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 May 2013 12:19

???????????

John Dewhurst
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 May 1790 Chipping, Lancashire, England
residence: Chipping, Lancashire, England
parents:Thos. Dewhurst, Anne