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Marshalls... Born in Kilmarnock Ayrshire

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GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 23 May 2013 23:19

By completing the ancestry, you have a better chance of locating the descendants.

Thomas Walsh and Mary Jane Kairns married in Glasgow 1866, 3 days before the birth of Edward.
However, the 1891 census also says that the next child, Mary Walsh was born in Ireland which is confirmed by this:

Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about Mary Walsh
Name: Mary Walsh
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1868
Birth Place: Newbridge, Kild, Ireland
Baptism Place: Newbridge, Kildare, Ireland
Father's Name: Thomas Walsh
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Kearns
FHL Film Number: 101171

All other children seem to be born in Ayrshire

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 23 May 2013 22:36

Georgette,
Susan Gibbon Marshall was born in Ayrshire in 1932.
( 28yrs after her parents married??)
I am assuming that you have her birth cert to confirm that Frank and Sarah were definitely her parents ?


Free BDM does show that 2 x children William and Francis Marshall were born in Thanet 1919 and 1921.
The mother's name was Walsh.

When I looked on Scotlands People the birth of Thomas Walsh Marshall born 1925 in Kilmarnock also matched
If Francis was was his brother, born in Kent 1921 it means the family were back in Ayrshire within 4 yrs of his birth
Perhaps the birth record for your grandmother will give a better insight and will provide their address


Also, I do expect that Sadie and Sarah is the SAME person,
Liliath is probably Lillias Marshall born 1909 and registered in Riccarton, Ayrshire

Mary Jane Cairns Marshall registered Kilmarnock 1905 , will be named for her maternal grandmother, and is most likely to be the ELDEST child
Edith Marshall registered 1909 Riccarton


The following info refers to Sarah Walsh prior to her marriage of 1904 with Frank Marshall.

The names of her siblings reflect those of her children, and I fully suspect that her mother was called Mary Jane Cairns/Kairns/Kearns

Thomas Walsh and Mary Jane Kairns married in Glasgow 19 Aug 1866.
Son Edward Walsh was born in Glasgow 3 days later on 22 Aug 1866

1891 Scotland Census about Sarah Walsh
Name: Sarah Walsh
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Thomas Walsh
Mother's Name: Marygane Walsh
Gender: Female
Where born: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Registration number: 597
Registration District: Kilmarnock
Civil Parish: Kilmarnock
Town: Kilmarnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: 18 Nelson Street
Occupation: Scholar
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Walsh 47 Born IRELAND
Marygane Walsh 40 Born ENGLAND
Edward Walsh 24 Born Glasgow
Mary Walsh 22 Born IRELAND
Thomas Walsh 15
John Walsh 13
Charles Walsh 8
Sarah Walsh 5
Lily Walsh 3
Ethal Walsh 10 Mo
Edith Walsh 10 Mo

1901 Scotland Census about Sarah Walsh
Name: Sarah Walsh
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Walsh
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Walsh
Gender: Female
Where born: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Registration number: 597
Registration District: Kilmarnock
Civil Parish: Kilmarnock
Town: Kilmarnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: 18 Nelson Street
Occupation: Wool Mill Worker
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Walsh 50 B IRELAND
Mary Jane Walsh 49 B ENGLAND
Charles Walsh 18
Sarah Walsh 16
Lilias Walsh 14
Edith Walsh 10
Mary Jane Walsh 8
Elizabeth Douglas 47 ** Mother?
Christina Stevenson 19
Robert Douglas 17

The last 3 entrants are possibly a different household?

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 23 May 2013 20:06

Glasgowlass, thank you very much for this information and thank you for taking the time too look into it, its very appreciated :-)

I have been researching the england connection and speaking with family...
Frank and sarah lived in kent for a short time and francis Was born in kent in 1921... ( found birth on freebmd)
Whist she ran a boarding house and he Was an army recruitment officer
And they went back to scotland and Was told frank def died in scotland,
so thankyou for this information' i will make notes and keep as a good possibility
When they went back to scotland there is talk that they lived on a caravan ??
There is supposidly a gypsy connection which I've yet to come across,

Also thank you for looking into the marraiges
:-) xx



GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 23 May 2013 18:32

Georgette,

Although you call your ancestor Francis, it appears he was known as Frank.
It's the name on the 1891 census return posted by Reggie and it's also the name on 1904 Marshall/Walsh marriage search ( Scotlands People)

I found no matching deaths for Francis Marshall in Scotland, but I did find that a record exists for Frank Marshall who fits the profile.

This man was born circa 1883 and died in Ayrshire 1964.
( I cannot guarantee that this is your ancestor, but it does fit his profile)

I could not find any Marshall/Cavins marriage in Scotland , nor could I locate a death for Elizabeth Marshall other name Cavins

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 23 May 2013 13:21

hi im just adding that ive come across some info that one of the children were born in england,
this has sent me into much confusion :0
and is now leading me to believe my francis and elizabeth MAY have died in england

i am adding this info as im going to delete this post at some stage and concentrate on that at the moment

just wanted to let know i am doing this, if i post a new thread in the future you know why

thanks for your help above xx

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 22 May 2013 18:08

That's good - it's the best way of getting in touch to find possible links.

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 22 May 2013 14:09

i have contacted some people with trees,

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 22 May 2013 12:54

Hi Georgette, not sure why you've posted this - we have already advised you that anyone connected to you is unlikely to see it and that your best course of action is to contact members who may have these people in their trees.

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 22 May 2013 10:54

looking to connect with MARSHALLS
do u reconise any one above?
there births would be 1920s 1930s, born in kilmarnock
roberston place comes ups for a lot of births further back, the family have lived there for many many years
is Francis Marshall
or Robert or Willam your great grandad or greater grandad, and born at roberston place kilmarnock

i have some info on some of the names


Edith married alexander mackie and john young... 2 children
(1st) elizabeth married john hamilton and jack doherty ... child to john
liliath married robert lockheart and unknown 4 children to robert
sadie married james dobbins & William ( bill) burges 4 children
mary jane married william muirhead 4 children
francis married margaret clark 1 child
willaim married .. beatrice 1 child
thomas married elizabeth mcgowan 2 children
euphemia married john mcgarrigle 2 children

if this looks familiar to anyone please reply or feel free to email me thank you :) xx

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 16:54

No it isn't

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 21 May 2013 14:30

thank you
ill have a look on,
thank you for the census report
i have that information minus hugh and william
is that info from genes?
xx

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 14:27

Oh dear, I had been wondering if this was connected to previous posts of yours..........I had a feeling it would be

I see now that it is.

Over and out.................good luck

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 21 May 2013 14:26

susan is my grandmother
one member is my cousin (his grandad is one of the men above)
the other member im unsure, i have sent a request tho xx

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 14:25

The deaths I posted were from FMP..............which isn't a free site.

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 21 May 2013 14:24

sorry
the names are all birth names
but because she has the gibbon middle name i didnt want to confuse that it was her married name
susan gibbon marshall died susan iwenofu
july 2001 xx

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 14:23

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

For England/Wales only..............................1837 to c1955

BTW................

At least two members other than you have EUPHEMIA 1874 in GR trees

georgettetaylor

georgettetaylor Report 21 May 2013 14:21

thank you, its really appreciated
i did look on freebmd
i must be doing something wrong or using the wrong site
i just dont seem to come across this info


i have a few notes on some on the children... marrages/ there children

aunt effie ( euphemia) passed just a few years go, met when i was very young

i have some notes on thomas walsh marshall
married 4th july 1946 ....elizabeth teresa watson mcgowne... kilmarnock?
hope im aloud to put her name??... she has now passed 2002, eastborne

please could you direct me to the freebmd site, as i think i may be on the wrong site
xx

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 14:19

1891 census

Person: MARSHALL, Frank Address: Robertson Place, Kilmarnock

MARSHALL, Wm Head Married M 42 1849 Soda Water Bottler
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
N/A
MARSHALL, Jeanie Wife Married F 40 1851
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
N/A
MARSHALL, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 19 1872 Tobacco Worker
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
N/A
MARSHALL, Euphemia Daughter Unmarried F 17 1874 Tobacco Worker
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
N/A
MARSHALL, Frank Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
N/A
MARSHALL, Hugh Son M 4 1887
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
N/A
MARSHALL, Wm Son M 2 1889
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 14:16

The 2001 death you mention doesn't show on FMP............was that definitely the woman's name when she died?

Reggie

Reggie Report 21 May 2013 14:10

freebmd shows a 1946 marriage in Coventry for a Thomas W Marshall...........may be totally irrelevant, but worth bearing in mind