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Eillen Craik b1907 Missing in 1911 Census

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Martin

Martin Report 28 May 2013 16:18

Thanks everyone for your input.
Flip: Yes, you are correct, Ellen Dickinson was aunt to the Craik and Dowey children. My mistake
Vanessa and Gins: Thanks for suggesting and tracking down Eileen Walsh.

My guess is that when her brother Sydney went to Hospital with an "infectious disease", Eileen was sent to stay with a neighbour or relative. They then did not record her on the Census Form.
mgnv: Thank you for the link to the Passenger lists. That has helped to confirm that "my" Eileen only joined her brothers in Canada in 1927. I had thought that she may have been in Canada as early as 1911. Her husband to be, Alfred Sanders according to my information arrived in Canada in 1924.
In 1938 they then emigrated to South Africa where Alfred got a job on the gold mines.

mgnv

mgnv Report 28 May 2013 08:50

For transcriptions:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/immigration-1925/001012-100.01-e.php

For matching images:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-110.01-e.php

and follow the paths:
Title: Passenger Lists: Quebec City (1925-1935)
Microform: t-14731
Page Navigation: (259 pages) 52

Title: Passenger Lists: Quebec City (1925-1935)
Microform: t-14773
Page Navigation: (635 pages) 328

No transcription, just images for:

Title: Ocean Arrivals, Form 30A, 1919-1924
Microform: t-14997
Page Navigation: (5160 pages) 3407 [and 3406]

Title: Ocean Arrivals, Form 30A, 1919-1924
Microform: t-14997
Page Navigation: (5160 pages) 3473 [and 3472]

Title: Ocean Arrivals, Form 30A, 1919-1924
Microform: t-14997
Page Navigation: (5160 pages) 3194 [and 3193]

Gee

Gee Report 28 May 2013 08:47

Vanessa

This is the birth of the child on the 1911 census that you ref above

Name: Eileen Agnes Walsh
Birth: Oct 1906 - West Derby, Lancashire

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 28 May 2013 06:08

What about this one - right area, wrong surname:

Household WALSH, Eileen A 1907 4 F West Derby Lancashire VIEW VIEW

Maybe 'ditto' with the household??

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 28 May 2013 05:57

This one is listed on FMP in 1911:

Household CRAKE JNR, Eileen 1905 6 F Hartlepool Durham VIEW VIEW

A little out on age, but if away from home, her correct details might not be known??


EDIT>>>>>DRAT!

Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
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CRAKE Eileen Hartlepool 10a 148

Flip

Flip Report 27 May 2013 21:50

No, like everyone else I haven't found Eileen in 1911 - not even in the same hospital as brother Sidney or with her grandfather & Ellen in Ormskirk.

Ellen Dickinson would not have been the Craik children's step-mother though, surely she was their aunt? She was also the aunt of William Downey, (according to immigration record) so a son of one of their other siblings,

Martin

Martin Report 27 May 2013 16:33

Reply to "Flip"
Thanks for your input.
Ada Catherine Dowey (b 1873), (Eileen Craik's mother) had a half-sister Ellen Dowey (b 1879). She married Christopher Hardacre Dickinson, so she would have been the "Mrs Dickinson" mentioned as the "English relative" of the various Craiks who emigrated to Canada. As I see it, Ellen Dickinson would have been the step-mother of the various Craiks (Eileen, William Sydney, etc).

However, in the 1911 Census, Ellen Dickinson, her husband and daughter were living with her father Edward Dowey (Widower) at 3 Railway Road, Ormskirk.

Unfortunately no sign of Eileen Craik yet!
Martin

Martin

Martin Report 27 May 2013 12:34

Thanks everyone for your rapid response. I'll have to digest all the info that you sent me.
Thanks to "Gins" and "PricklyHolly" for locating brother Sydney in the Hospital.

Eileen did emigrate to Canada in 1927 where she married Alfred Sanders in 1928.
Eileen's father was Alexander Christopher Craik and he was a Steward on the ill-fated "Empress of Ireland" which sank in the St Lawrence in 1914. He was unfortunately drowned. His wife was Ada Catherine Dowey.

I'm still mystified as to where Eileen (age 4) was at the time of the 1911 Census.

The whole family of Craiks emigrated to Canada between 1921 and 1937.
Their descendants live in Canada and South Africa today. Eileen and Alfred's daughter is my wife.
Martin

Flip

Flip Report 27 May 2013 10:59

Matthew James Craik
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Birth Place: Litherland, England
Age: 19 Years 9 Months
Date of Arrival: May 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Montcalm

Also going to his brother Alexander Craik, Ontario Provisional Police. Oher deails as for William Sydney. Their fares were paid for by brother Alexander.

Flip

Flip Report 27 May 2013 10:51

William Sydney Craik
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Birth Place: Liverpool, England
Age: 19 Years 10 Months
Date of Arrival: May 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Montcalm

Was going to join his brother A J B Craik - provisional police, Cobalt. Gave relative in England as his mother, address 14 Liscard Road, Seacombe Cheshire.

Gee

Gee Report 27 May 2013 10:24

Birth: 1871
Death: 1914

husband of Ada C Dowey 1873-1949


Burial:
Elmwood Cemetery
Perth
Ontario, Canada
Plot: d1-82

Created by: kerteau
Record added: Jan 11, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 46582866

Flip

Flip Report 27 May 2013 10:22

According to the Canadian immigration record, they were going to join Mr W S Craik of 6th Avenue, Timmins, Ontario. There relative in England was Mrs Deakinson (Ada's sister) of 1E Knowsley Road, Ormskirk. Neither of them had been to Canada before.

William Dowey was her nephew, he was going to W S Craik, his cousin. However, he states aunt Mrs Dickinson as the England relative - of Knowsley Road.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 May 2013 10:21

Looks like Alex JB also joined the merchant navy.

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

PrintClose
Last name: CRAIK
First names: Alexander John Brodie
Age:
Day of birth: 15
Month of birth: July
Year of birth: 1898
Place of birth: Birkenhead
County/country of birth: Cheshire
Card type: CR10
Discharge number: 864159
Identity certificate no.: 864402
Series: BT350
Date range: 1918-1921
Piece number:

Gee

Gee Report 27 May 2013 10:17

Moms death


Web: International, Find A Grave Index
about Ada Catherine Dowey Craik Name: Ada Catherine Dowey Craik
Birth Date: 1873
Age at Death: 76
Death Date: 1949
Burial Place: Perth, Ontario, Canada

Susan

Susan Report 27 May 2013 10:16

Just for the info

Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Alexander Christopher Craik Name: Alexander Christopher Craik
Birth Date: 16 Sep 1871
Baptism Date: 23 Oct 1871
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: John Craik
Mother's Name: Margaret Craik
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/67

Gee

Gee Report 27 May 2013 10:15

Full marriage details


Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
about E A I Craik Name: E A I Craik
Birth Place: England
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Father Name: Alexander Christopher Craik
Mother Name: Ada Catharine Dawey
Spouse Name: Alfred Sanders
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1900
Spouse Birth Place: London, England
Spouse Father Name: Charles Sanders
Spouse Mother Name: Annie Ray
Marriage Date: 17 Nov 1928
Marriage County or District: Cochrane

Still cant find her in 1911 though

Susan

Susan Report 27 May 2013 10:12


Snap Mike .

Thankyou ...it looks like Mother and Dau went to Canada then .

I wonder what happened to Ada's hubby :-|

Adeline

Adeline Report 27 May 2013 10:08

Her death shown on Ancestry trees as 1970 in Johannesburg.

Susan

Susan Report 27 May 2013 10:07

Possible passage details for Eileen.

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Eileen Craik Name: Eileen Craik
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1908
Departure Date: 22 Apr 1927
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Montcalm
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Montcalm' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number: 145903
Master: Captain Hamilton

Traveling with her is Ada Craik 53 years old Housekeeper.
Both were living at 12 Knowley Rd ,Ormskirk.

I don't know if they are yours ;-)

Mike *

Mike * Report 27 May 2013 10:05


Ada Craik

Age:53
Birth Date:abt 1874
Departure Date:22 Apr 1927

Port of Departure:Liverpool, England
Destination Port:Quebec, Canada
Ship Name:Montcalm

Shipping Line:Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number:145903
Master:Captain Hamilton


also travelling with her were Eileen Craik and William Dowey