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Delphine Voilet, Lee & Scott 1881 Census Swiss

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Unknown

Unknown Report 8 Jun 2013 09:29

Hi all, looking for help in trying to locate Delphine Lee on the 1881 census. Her maiden name was Voilet or Voilett she married Henry Thomas or Thomas Henry Lee and I have her on the 1871 england census in Liverpool with her husband and three children, Loiusa, Jane and Charles. I can pick her up again on the 1891 census where she has remarried to a Robert Scott and has Charles living with her. However I cannot find her in 1881 or any trace of the girls. I believe that Henry died in 1880 and I think I have Charles is at the bluecoat school in Liverpool in 1881, but no sign of Delphine. She was born Geneva, Switzerland in around 1848, she came to the uk as a ladies maid. Also any information on how to trace relatives on the Swiss side, seems very complicated with this Canton system. thanks :-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 09:37

See her on the 1871. And this does look like Charles in 1881


Name: Charles James Lee
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: "Blue Coat School" School Lane
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: Blue Coat School
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3614
Folio: 53
Page Number: 10

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3614; Folio: 53; Page: 10; GSU roll: 1341865.

A mix of boys and girls aged 10-12 years old


The Bluecoat Schools were Charity schools

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jun 2013 09:45

Possible....she went back to Switzerland for a visit taking the girls with her....but leaving Charles as he was at school.


Regards Vera

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 09:45

She remarried in1884 and told porkies on her age

Name: Delphine Lee
Birth Year: abt 1854
Age: 30
Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1884
Parish: Toxteth, St Michael in the Hamlet
Spouse's Name: Robert Scott
Father's Name: Jacques Violet dec,d
Spouse Father's Name: Joseph Scott
Reference Number: 283 HAM/3/17

He was 24 so she bought her age down a bit !

He was a barman

Her address at the time was s
St Michaels Hamlet

His was Wellington Road
One of the witnesses was a Catherine Elizabeth Lee

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 09:48

Age about right at death

Name: Delphine Scott
Birth Date: abt 1848
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Age at Death: 79
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 269

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 09:51

Am the same opinion as Vera .she went home for a visit after Henry died

Maybe she left the girls in Switzerland as she had no means of looking after them .the lad was in school so he was ok . She may have returned to domestic service as a live in so wasn'to able to have the girls with her

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jun 2013 09:58


Henry Lee



Probate Date:

8 Jul 1880



Death Date:

30 May 1880



Death Place:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England



Registry:

Liverpool, England

Late of Great Homer Street, Public House Manager

Probate to Delphine Lee widow 34, Great Homer Street.


Regards Vera

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 8 Jun 2013 10:09

https://familysearch.org have a number of collections from Switzerland although not all are indexed. This would mean that you'd have to look at each image in turn.

Switzerland Burials, 1613-1875 138,011
Switzerland, Baptisms, 1491-1940 994,397
Switzerland, Basel City, Local Citizenship Requests, 1348-1798 Browse Images
Switzerland, Bern, Civil Registration, 1792-1876 Browse Images
Switzerland, Church Book Extracts, 1550-1875 Browse Images
Switzerland, Church Records, 1277-1992 Browse Images
Switzerland, Fribourg, Census, 1811 Browse Images
Switzerland, Fribourg, Census, 1818 Browse Images
Switzerland, Fribourg, Census, 1834 Browse Images
Switzerland, Marriages, 1532-1910 265,999
Switzerland, Schaffhausen, Directories, Emigration, and Genealogies, 1460-1952

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 10:22

His estate was under .£50 but then that was a fair amount of money,

She may have used it to take the girls home

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jun 2013 10:32

Thanks Shirley ....forgot to put that important bit in !!!!!


Regards Vera

:-)

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jun 2013 10:45

I know you're probably got these details....but thought I would show you anyway, just in case. you haven't.

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LEE Thomas H Wellington Sh. 6a 1457
Voillet Delphine Wellington Sal 6a 1457




Regards Vera

Unknown

Unknown Report 8 Jun 2013 11:20

Yes i'm thinking she went back to Switzerland as well. Thats great about the death details of Henry Lee with probate to Delphine, up to now I was speculating that this was him. Are causes of death held anywhere except on the actual death certificates?

thanks for the swiss information I will have a go.

Does anyone think it is likely that they could have recorded Loiusa as a girl incorrectly ? There is a Henri Louis who appears in Liverpool and is working with Delphines 2nd husband in the 1911 census in wales. He appears to name his children the same names that are in the family, delphine, charles, thomas etc and has the same year date of birth 1867, wondering whether Louis and Louisa are the same person ? :-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 11:37

They aren't described as son or daughter on the 1871 census but it certainly looks like Louisa on the actual census page .Plus they aren't calling Charles by any other name. So it would seem Louisa is correct

Flip

Flip Report 8 Jun 2013 11:52

I agree with Shirley, but can't see a birth for either Louis or Louisa - the only birth I can see which may tie up is the Henry Louis, reg Prescot Q1/1867. Shame they only appear to have had Charles christened, but not the others.

Unknown

Unknown Report 8 Jun 2013 12:09

Hi thought it was a long shot . Delphine certainly seemed to have lived an interesting life, don't suppose anyone can find her on the 1911 census as well. Again she appears to have disappeared. Her death is registered in Liverpool but I was told she was buried in Coed Poeth where her and Robert ran the Cross Keys or something similar pub.

She's the mysterious Swiss relation that the family always talk about !

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2013 12:19


Name: Charles James Lee
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1869
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1870
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name: Thomas Henry Lee
Mother's Name: Delphine Lee
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/64

Flip

Flip Report 8 Jun 2013 15:12

I wouldn't totally discount Henry Louis Lee, I recently helped someone by checking parish records and found Daisy x on the bmd index was actually Derek x on the christening record. The Lancashirebmd site has his birth registered in the sub district of Much Woolton, but unfortunatly did not record mmn.

My ancestry is acting up today, and is really slow but I see he married Emma Ann Hallwood and they were together in 1901, but I think she was in hospital in 1911. They had 7 children but only 3 survived to 1911, in 1901 he was born Liverpool and a ?? on steam ships. I think Henry L Lee was in Wigan in 1891, a boarder and a barman but I can't see him in 1871/81.

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jun 2013 15:15

1911

SCOTT, Robert Head Married M 47 1864 Hotel Keepers Cheshire Wrenbury VIEW
SCOTT, Mary Aunt Married F 73 1838 Nil Cheshire Wrenbury VIEW
FLETCHER, Edna May Visitor Single F 16 1895 Nil Cheshira Over VIEW
LEE, Henry Lewis Servant Married15 years M 44 1867 Barman Lancashire Woolton VIEW
LEE, Alice Servant Single F 31 1880 Barmaid Denbighshire Wrexham VIEW
ROBERTS, Annie Servant Single F 21 1890 Housemaid Waitress Cheshire Birkenhead VIEW
CLEGG, Jane Servant Single F 17 1894 Kitchen Maid Denbighshire Bwlchywyn VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34033
Reference: RG14PN34033 RG78PN1965 RD621 SD3 ED6 SN139
Registration District: Wrexham
Sub District: Wrexham
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Bersham
Address: Cross Foxes Hotel Coedpoeth !!!!!!!!!!!!
County: Denbighshire


Although it has been crossed out ....... under Roberts name on the image it states he has been married 26 years....with nil children

Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 8 Jun 2013 15:41

Think Delphine...might have gone on a trip back to Switzerland in 1911.

Regards Vera

Unknown

Unknown Report 10 Jun 2013 08:34

yep, very annoying when you're trying to tracing her ! thanks for all your help ;-)