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Obit., 'Cork Examiner' 15/4/1882. Thomas Crosby

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Wayne Kenneth

Wayne Kenneth Report 10 Jun 2013 02:16

Hi all.. chasing detail on Thomas Crosby, 1801 - 1882, a sail and rope manufacturers, at 7 North Wall Quay and Sir John Rogerson Quay, Dublin, lived at 62 Amiens St . 3 times Great Grandfather of my wife,
I've seen a note of an Obit. in the 'Cork Examiner' of the 15th of April 1882.. No idea of how to locate a copy of same.
Would be most appreciative of any advices re such, or of Thomas himself, his wife ( unknown) and parents.
My Wife's line is via his daughter Eliza ( or Elizabeth) 1836 - 1873 who married a Joseph 'John' Lanigan, 1818-1878, owner of a Rope & Twine manufacturing business in Dublin. Their two young orphaned children, Ann & John, aged 7 & 8, went out to Australia in 1880, aboard the 'Potosi' but.... No idea who accompanied or fostered them.. lots of questions in this one but it's a new line of inquiry to me of which there is negligible detail in this branch of their descendants. Thanks all.

Gins

Gins Report 10 Jun 2013 07:11

This looks like it could be the daughter



Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name:Ann Jane Burke

Death Place:F Ston, Victoria

Age:79

Father's Name:John Jos Lanigan

Mother's Name:Eliza Crosbie

Registration Year:1952
Registration Place:Victoria

Registration number:23143
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1873

Susan

Susan Report 10 Jun 2013 07:23

Is this him.

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
about Thomas Crosby Name: Thomas Crosby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Death Age: 81
Registration District: Dublin North
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 403
FHL Film Number: 101591

Not seeing anything .

Gins

Gins Report 10 Jun 2013 07:24

Is this the son with an alternative middle name for the father?


Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name:
John Joseph Lanigan

Gender:Male

Birth Date:16 Feb 1872

Birth Place:North City No 1, Dub, Ireland

Baptism Place:North City No 1, Dub, Ireland

Father's Name:Joseph Frederick Lanigan

Mother's Name:Eliza Crosby

FHL Film Number:255842

Gins

Gins Report 10 Jun 2013 07:58

Would this be the sons marriage?



Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name:Jno Jos Lanigan

Spouse Name:Elizth Eleanor Broadhead

Marriage Place:Victoria

Registration Place:Victoria
Registration Year:1896
Registration number:6611

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 10 Jun 2013 08:24

This link is for an unrelated family but someone did a look up in the Cork Examiner archives for someone else:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=550431.0

Might be worth posting on Rootchat

Wayne Kenneth

Wayne Kenneth Report 10 Jun 2013 08:29

Hi Gins.. John Joseph, born 16/2/1872 Dublin, married to Elizth Broadhead.. Yes,that's right, son of Joseph"John" Frederick Lanigan & Eliza Crosby.. detail of marriage & death certs matchs but stll, no clues as to who accompanied the orphaned 8 year old John Joseph & his 7 year old sister, Ann Jane Mary Lanigan, out to Australia in 1880.. so query remains..
Re Ann, yes that is her Death in 1952, married to Pat Burke

Susan.. the 1881 Death.. hadn't seen that one thanks.. other advices but no validation seen, had cited 1801 - 1882..the Dublin North location does look ike my man.

Gins

Gins Report 10 Jun 2013 08:37

Have you got the marriage certificate to check the details



Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name:Joseph Frederick Lanigan

Date of Registration:1870

Registration District:
Dublin North
Volume:17

Page Number:583
FHL Film Number:101251

Records on Page:


Name

William Joseph Beahan
Anne Byrnes
Michael Donohoe
Elizabeth Armstrong
John Casey
Elizabeth Crosby
Joseph Frederick Lanigan
Ellen Curoe


Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 10 Jun 2013 09:10

This would be the obit you were referring to

CROSBY, Thomas; 80; Dublin DUB IRL; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1882-4-15; dja

Although indexed the details are not avaliable as yet on line....you would need to get a copy of the original or hope someone could get access to the newspaper archives...

Susan

Susan Report 10 Jun 2013 09:54

this site has a contact us.


Contact Us

Contact Us
Postal Address:

Cork County Library and Arts Service,
County Library Building,
Carrigrohane Road,
Cork.

Telephone: +00353 (0) 21 4546499

Email: corkcountylibrary@corkcoco.ie

Web: www.corkcoco.ie/library

Twitter: @corkcolibrary



Wayne Kenneth

Wayne Kenneth Report 10 Jun 2013 10:53

Thanks Susan.. I'll contact Cork County Library.. see if i can obtain a copy of the Obit. via them. Cheers

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 10 Jun 2013 20:01

If someone can check this out for you it may shed some light on the childrens welfare.....

Name: Joseph Frederick Lanigan
Event Type: Probate
Event Date: 1880
Event Place: Dublin, Ireland
Document Number: 024
Volume Number: 140
Volume Date Range: Aug-Dec 1880
County: Dublin
Alternate Event Place:

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 10 Jun 2013 20:14

Unless there were 2 Thomas Crosby's living on Amien St Dublin this may be Thomas 1842..... Dublin Directory shows the following.....

Crosby Thomas Shipmaster 40 Amiens St. Dublin

EDIT..2045

1862 Rogerson's Quay

14 and 15 Crosby, Thomas, and *** Son,****
hemp merchants, sail lofts, rope
stores, patent rope and sail cloth
manufac. and Ringsend, each 22l.

Wayne Kenneth

Wayne Kenneth Report 3 Aug 2013 10:10

Apologies for delay in responding have had several weeks away & just now catching up. Many thanks Eringobragh 1916 for your advices. The 40 Amiens St address is interesting as we know Thomas of Thomas Crosby & Son, sail and rope manufacturers, lived at 62 Amiens St. and is ref'd to as Captain in documents of son James Joseph Crosby. Added to that is a Royal Navy Reserve list which records a Thomas Crosby, Seniority in Merchant Navy 03/04/1826 with date promoted to Hon Lieut. 26/08/1862. Later, there are also said to be records with Thomas as Marine Superintendant, Dublin Board of Trade but not seen those.
Re the Probate of Joseph Frederick Lanigan. 1880, Document Number: 024 . Volume Number: 140 .. I've also seen Ireland, Calendar of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1920
other: Thomas Richard Crosby
Name Joseph Frederick Lanigan
Event Type Probate
Event Date 29 Mar 1878
Event Place Dublin
Beneficiary's Name Thomas Richard Crosby
GS Film number 100980 Digital Folder Number 005014894
Hoped someone might be able to advise the process of sighting any Will, determining what the estate was that went to Probate... Many Thanks

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 11:48

Don't know if this is of interest?

First Name:Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:1/2
Street:Eden Quay
Date:16 Oct 1872
Reference:Advertisement
Page:1

Notes:Partnership between Thomas Crosby John Edward + Joseph Frederick Lanigan T/A J F Lanigan + Co - now dissolved

Collections from:Ireland
Record collection:Newspapers & magazines
Category:Directories & Social History
Record set:Irish Times Index 1859 - 1901
.................................................................................................................

There are a few transcriptions from Irish Times on FindMyPast but no actual images:

First Name:Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:1/2
Street:Eden Quay
Date:17 Dec 1880
Reference:- Page:3
Notes:Rope manufacturer


First Name:Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:62
Street: Amiens Street
Date:08 Oct 1877
Reference:Advertisement
Page:7


First Name:Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:15
Street:Sir John Rogerson's Quay
Date:30 Sep 1876
Reference:-
Page:4
Notes:Thomas Crosby & Son premises destroyed by fire


First Name:Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:14
Street:Sir John Rogerson's Quay
Date:22 Feb 1867
Reference:Advertisement
Page:1


First Name:Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:14
Street:Sir John Rogerson's Quay
Date:25 Jul 1861
Reference: Advertisement
Notes:Thomas Crosby & Son

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 12:03

If the obituary was 1882 then was it the same man?

First Name:Capt Thomas
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:62
Street:Amiens Street
Date:15 Apr 1880
Reference:Death Page:1
Notes:-

Collections from:Ireland
Record collection:Newspapers & magazines
Category:Directories & Social History
Record set:Irish Times Index 1859 - 1901

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 12:06

The 1880 article above for Thomas Crosby of Eden Quay doesn't give a middle name but then there is this:

First Name:Thomas Richard
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:1/2
Street:Eden Quay
Date:04 Mar 1879
Reference:Advertisement
Page:8
Notes:For sale leasehold of 31 years from 1-1-1861 (Thomas Richard Crosby - owner)

Collections from:Ireland
Record collection:Newspapers & magazines
Category:Directories & Social History
Record set:Irish Times Index 1859 - 1901

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 12:44

I presume these references refer to the births of JF Lanigan's children? Appear to give a home address:

First Name:Joseph Frederick
Last Name:Lanigan
House number or name:14
Street:Eccles Street
Date:17 Feb 1872
Reference:Birth
Page:8


First Name:Joseph Frederick
Last Name:Lanigan
House number or name:14
Street:Eccles Street
Date:16 Apr 1873
Reference:Birth
Page:8


But his marriage refers to the business premises?

First Name:Joseph Frederick
Last Name:Lanigan
House number or name:1/2
Street:Eden Quay
Date:27 Sep 1870
Reference:Marriage
Page:8

First Name:Eliza
Last Name:Crosby
House number or name:62
Street:Amiens Street
Date:27 Sep 1870
Reference:Marriage
Page:8
Notes:(Dau of Thomas Crosby)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 3 Aug 2013 12:52

This says Joseph "P" but I think it should be "F"

First Name:Joseph P
Last Name:Lanigan
House number or name:1/2
Street:Eden Quay
Date:30 Apr 1878
Reference:Advertisement
Page:4
Notes:For auction leasehold of 31 years + stock (Estate of late Joseph P Lanigan)

Collections from:Ireland
Record collection:Newspapers & magazines
Category:Directories & Social History
Record set:Irish Times Index 1859 - 1901


This ties in with the 1879 advert where Thomas Crosby is trying to sell th lease of the same property.

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Wayne Kenneth

Wayne Kenneth Report 3 Aug 2013 13:08

Thanks Marie Celeste.. Ref the sale advertisement..that's all great new detail that helps fill the gap from when Joseph Frederick Lanigan died in 1878 & his father in-law disposed of his estate then shipped the now orphaned Lanigan children to Australia in 1880. Would be interesting to see the probate, to understand what sort of Estate Joseph Frederick Lanigan left in Thomas Crosby's hands..
The birth & Business address details, Eccles & Eden Qy, agree with what other detail we have.