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BERTHA SHIPLEY HILTON

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Jacky

Jacky Report 13 Jun 2013 10:33

morning everyone
i,m trying too find the parants of the above ladies born abt 1870 lincolnshire i have found her marriage

1888 in leeds woodhouse to james gray but i can,t make out her fathers name
i have also found her on the 1871 census agd 1 living with uncle
but can,t seam to find her in 1881 census so wonder if anyone can work out what its says as father on her marriage cert & if anyone can find her in the 1881 census below is the 1871 cencus for ref


1871 England Census about Bertha Shipley Hilton
Name: Bertha Shipley Hilton
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Kexby, Lincolnshire, England >>>>>> could be haxby ????
Civil Parish: Kexby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration District: Gainsborough
Sub-registration District: Willingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 13
Piece: 3447
Folio: 52
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hilton 65
Mary Hilton 59
George Hilton 28
Catherine Hilton 20
Betsey Hilton 16
Bertha Shipley Hilton 1
Charles Wood 14
Annie Mary Jackson 14
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many thanks in advance for any time or help & infomation given
jacky
:-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Jun 2013 10:43

Her birth cert will give you her parent/parents names



Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: HILTON, Bertha Shipley
Registration district: Gainsborough
County: Lincolnshire
Year of registration: 1870
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 7A


Am guessing she may be Catherine's daughter ;-)

Jacky

Jacky Report 13 Jun 2013 10:48

thanks shirley
i have already sent for the cert i just hoped i,d beable too get info before it arrived its my ownfault i,m a eager beever lol
once again thanks :-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jun 2013 10:52

It seems the witness.......Heny Fisher has been entered as the Father and then crossed out.

I can't make out what it reads above in bracketts though.

I will take another look.

Res Institution Street.

Catherine

Catherine Report 13 Jun 2013 10:55

Father's name looks to be Henry Fisher (Contracter) crossed out and " Nullius Filias " is noted, which is Latin.

nullius filius
(Latinate) A child of unknown parentage; an orphan.
(law) The son of no one; a bastard.

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jun 2013 10:56


Very hard to read the cert jacky .

Looks like Henry Fisher crossed out and Nullins Hlia at the top of his name .
I did notice Bertha's name also had Fisher as last name crossed out..

Witts
Henry Fisher
Calhourne Fisher..that one is questionable too.

Sue

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Jun 2013 10:56

She was almost certainly born to an unmarried mother............

Jacky

Jacky Report 13 Jun 2013 10:59

thank you so much everyone it looks like this eager beever is goig too have to wait for the birth cert to arrive

once again thank you so much have a lovely day <3

Jacky

Jacky Report 13 Jun 2013 11:02

catherine
thank you for that infomation it made me smile but a clue why cos bertha is giving me a massive headache lol can,t even seam to find her death gerrrr
thanks for your infomation :-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jun 2013 11:02

Yes you are right.

Well done Catherine!

Catherine

Catherine Report 13 Jun 2013 11:03

Interesting to note that Bertha has written her name as Bertha Shipley Hilton Fisher but the Fisher has been crossed out.

Apparantly when Nullius Filius is noted on a document it is to state that the person has no legal rights as far as a heritage is concerned. As she notes her name as Fisher, it may be that her father actually was Henry Fisher but that he wanted it to be confirmed that she had no legal rights to his estate?

(just a theory)

Jacky

Jacky Report 13 Jun 2013 11:08

yes i agree catherine
vey strange but i did think maybe her mother may have married harry fisher but have search for a fisher hilton marriage but can,t seam to find a possible
as i was having another look at the witnesses just now & it looks possile that the 2nd witness could be catherine fisher ???
jacky

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Jun 2013 11:20

I would have thought that Shipley in her name was a clue to her father's identity.............

Catherine

Catherine Report 13 Jun 2013 11:23

As Henry's occupation is noted as Contractor, I was wondering if this could be him :-

1881 England Census about Henry Fisher
Name: Henry Fisher
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Kington St.Michaels, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Delph Lane(West Side)
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Contractor & Grocer
Registration District: Leeds
Sub-registration District: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4530
Folio: 85
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Fisher 63
Catherine Fisher 31 born: Ixham, Lincoln
Adeline Fisher 6
Harry A. Fisher 3
Herbert H. Fisher
Catherine Fisher 41
Jane A. Mackton 16
William Smith 17

Note wife born same place as Bertha.

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Jun 2013 11:25

For INFO only

1891 census

Person: GRAY, Bertha S Address: 1, Randerson Court, Leeds

GRAY, James Head Married M 22 1869 Clicker Boot Trade
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
GRAY, Bertha S Wife Married F 21 1870
Haxby, Lincolnshire VIEW
GRAY, Harry C Son Single M 1 1890
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
GRAY, James Son M 0 (3M) 1891
Leeds, Yorkshire

Catherine

Catherine Report 13 Jun 2013 11:25

Here you are:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Fisher
Name: Henry Fisher
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1882
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 413
Records on Page:
Name
Henry Fisher
Catharine Hilton
Mary Jane O'Connor
Charles Radcliffe

Looks like Catherine Fisher (Henry Fisher's wife in census) is Catharine Hilton.

Could be that Bertha was Catherine's illegitimate daughter and Henry Fisher was her step-father and he wanted it to be known that Bertha had no legal rights to his estate?

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Jun 2013 11:27

1901 census

Person: GRAY, James Address: 7, Low Moor Building, Leeds

GRAY, James Head Married M 32 1869 Shoemaker Clicker
Leeds, Yorkshire VIEW
GRAY, James Son Single M 9 1892
Leeds, Yorkshire

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Jun 2013 11:30

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Gray Harry Charles Leeds 9b 592

Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)
GRAY Harry Charles 5 Leeds 9b 383

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Jun 2013 11:34

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Harry Charles Gray
Name: Harry Charles Gray
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1894
Age at Death: 5
Registration District: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 383

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Jun 2013 11:35

1911 census

Person: GRAY, James Address: 24 Cardigan Terrace Kirkstall Road Leeds

WALTON, Peter Head Married M 50 1861 Labourer Oil Works Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Lily Wife Married26 years F 44 1867 Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 20 1891 Asberton Works Mill Hand Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Elizabeth Son Single M 15 1896 Driller Mechanic Shop Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Beatrice Daughter Single F 13 1898 Ironer Laundry Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Florence Daughter F 11 1900 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Edith Daughter F 9 1902 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Ethel Daughter F 6 1905 School Yorks Leeds VIEW
WALTON, Samuel Boarder M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Yorks Leeds VIEW
PICKERSGILL, Samuel Boarder Single M 54 1857 Gardener Yorks Leeds VIEW
GRAY, James Brother *********Widower********* M 40 1871 Boot Trade Clicker Yorks Leeds VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 27056 Reference: RG14PN27056