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Alice Maud Blow or Wilson or Wells or Other

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Rosalind

Rosalind Report 15 Jun 2013 21:00

My great grandmother was born on 5th February 1874 but I have never been able to find her birth certificate. Her mother Mary Wilson appears to have come from Aylesbury or Dunstable Area. She married John Blow after Alice's birth and they lived in London. She later had my grandmother Elizabeth Blow in London but somehow she became Alice Maud Wells but there is no record of a marriage. Can anyone help or assist in how I can find more details.

Thanks

Flip

Flip Report 15 Jun 2013 21:15

How have you managed to get her exact dob if you haven't found her birth certificate please?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Jun 2013 21:20

How did you get back to her at all, that's what I am wondering??
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Jun 2013 21:22

This seems to be relevant, given your info, but this Mary Wilson is not related- or certainly not the mother of Alice Blow:

1881 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Wilson
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 12 Brougham St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Battersea

John Blow 39
Harriet Blow 29 Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Alice Blow 7
Phil. John Blow 3
Harriet Nan. Blow 1
William Blow
Mary Ann Wilson 65


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Jun 2013 21:27

The above certainly looks like your Alice:

Name: Alice Maud Blow
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Jun 2013 21:40

I suspect this might be the Mary and Harriet above, mother and daughter.

We need to know where your info comes from really.


1861 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Wilson
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Danstable, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Aylesbury
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire

Registration District: Aylesbury
Sub-registration District: Aylesbury

James Wilson 43
Mary Ann Wilson 46
William Wilson 17
Catherine L Wilson 11
Harriett Ann Wilson 9 Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
James Wilson 7
Mary Jane Wilson 5


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Jun 2013 21:45

Harriett's marriage??


Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Blow John Lambeth 1d 858

WILSON Harriett Ann Lambeth 1d 858


Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Jun 2013 21:56

So Alice's mother wasn't Mary...............what led you to think it was?

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Jun 2013 22:03

Who 'had' Elizabeth Blow?

Was that ALICE?

When........and where?

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Jun 2013 22:07

Right...............according to Rosalind's GR tree............Elizabeth was born in1904


1911 census

Person: BLOW, Bessie Address: 34 Pitcairn St Clapham S W

BLOW, Alice Maud Mother Single F 31 1880 Domestic Work Aylesbury Bucks VIEW
BLOW, Bessie Daughter F 6 1905 Stamford Hill Middlesex


At what stage did Alice supposedly take the name Wells?

Her age on here does not equate to an 1874 birth

Margee

Margee Report 15 Jun 2013 22:07

7 year old Alice in 1881 with parents John & Harriet who have only been married for 5 years so your info is a little accurate but also a little confused.

1881 England Census
about Alice Blow Name: Alice Blow
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Blow
Mother's Name: Harriet Blow
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 48a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 648
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Blow 39
Harriet Blow 29
Alice Blow 7
Phil. John Blow 3
Harriet Nan. Blow 1
William Blow
Mary Ann Wilson 65

Mary Ann Wilson is a visitor.



Flip

Flip Report 15 Jun 2013 22:08

John Blow (labourer)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Age: 33
Spouse Name: Harriett Ann Wilson
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Dec 1876
Parish: Stockwell Green St Andrew
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Blow (labourer)
Spouse Father Name: James Wilson (shoe maker)
Register Type: Parish Register

Both of 9 Fenwick Place, witnesses Henry & Mary Ann Wilson

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 Jun 2013 22:10

Mary could have been Harriet's mother..she certainly wasn't Alice's

Flip

Flip Report 15 Jun 2013 22:15

Jan's 1861 census shows James as a shoe maker, so it looks like they were Alice's grandparents.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jun 2013 11:56

Following all that, I can see the problem with finding a birth registration for Alice. With a Battersea birthplace she should be registered in Wandsworth, but I can't see her. Widening it to Surrey, these are all I can find:

Births Sep 1873 (>99%)
Wilson Alice Maud Croydon 2a 210
Wilson Alice Maude St. Olave 1d 269
Wilson Alice Maude St. Saviour 1d 98

Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
Wilson Alice Maude Camberwell 1d 783

Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
Wilson Alice Maud St. Saviour 1d 1

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Jun 2013 12:11

If you look at the 1911 original I think her age is 34 not 31 - which puts her birth at 1876/7 - a bit closer (maybe) to the truth...but her birthplace is Aylesbury...

Flip

Flip Report 16 Jun 2013 12:17

We need Rosalind to come back and explain where the birth date comes from, and how she tracked back to this family as there is obviously an error along the way to have the wrong generation for the mother.

Mary Ann Wilson is back with husband James by the 1891 census, so probably just a temporary visitor.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Jun 2013 12:29

This is Mary Ann and James in 1871

Name: Mary A Wilson
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household Schedule Number: 63
Piece: 698
Folio: 79
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 51
Mary A Wilson 54
Henry Wilson 25
James Wilson 17

No Harriett

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 16 Jun 2013 12:38

Harriet is working away 1871, in Surrey, which might fit Alice's birthplace??

1871 England Census
Name: Harriet Wilson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Clapham

Mary Baxter 54
George Baxter 24
Arthur Baxter 22
Alice Baxter 19
Horace Baxter 18
Harriet Wilson 19

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Jun 2013 12:39

Here's Harriett

Name: Harriet Wilson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Schedule Number: 81
Piece: 697
Folio: 32
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Baxter 54
George Baxter 24
Arthur Baxter 22
Alice Baxter 19
Horace Baxter 18
Harriet Wilson 19


Sorry Jan...blooming Google Chrome - didn't refresh! :-)