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MC - when I had an Ancestry sub, I got a hit in a workhouse (I think in 1911), and paged beck to the beginning of the images where there was summary stuff for the workhouse/infirmary, and (I think I recall) they had four classes of people there - staff, patients, long term inmates and casual inmates.

ok -- wasnt sure
i am in australia,
this is my husband's family,
surname is now canning
his uncles live st helens, lancashire, cousins still working in the glassmaking industry ,
cornelius gullivan is my brickwall, he is the only one i dont have marriage or death details for, i hunt for a while then move onto something else but i always come back.
:-)

If you don't have access to Ancestry then you can search and view public trees on their spin-off site Mundia. http://www.mundia.com/gb/

You have to register but it's completely free.

We've already looked at those Ancestry trees - none of them have anything more than already posted or found.

Marriages at St Wilfrid
in the Parish of Farnworth near Prescot
the 3 cannon marriage at this church are all related to my family tree

found this but i dont have ancestry access

Foster Family Tree

Public Member Tree
3 attached records, 3 sources
Cornelius Gullivan
Birth: dd mm 1858 - Lancashire, England
F: Peter Gullavin
M: Susannah Cannon


Griffin-Lea Family Tree

Public Member Tree
1 source
Cornelius Gullivan
Birth: dd mm 1858 - Lancashire, England
F: Peter Gullavin
M: Susannah Cannon

back to the bottom of the pile, thanks every one for the time you have spent, :-)

It is strange Flip.

Looking at the certificates it seems that none of them were able to read and write so their names could have been spelled differently originally and they wouldn't have known.

I think it is a dead end, but understand now I've seen the image. There are a few people admitted one day and discharged the next though - maybe homeless for the night or just admitted to the attached hospital? I don't know, but the birth year for that Cornelius is 1878 so obviously the wrong person.

Oh well, back to the drawing board! Although I haven't a clue where to try next :-S

Added, what strikes me as strange is why Susannah claimed to be still married throughout the census with no husband in sight, I would have thought she'd have declared herself as a widow. Strange

Oh I am sorry - my last sentence on my post timed 18:18 should say discharged/dead. I think that must mean the date when either they were discharged or when they died. (Would someone go in a workhouse for just one night?)

I've sent you the image Flip.

It was a long-shot, but thought it worth a try. It was something the OP said about changing names, which made me thing it worth a try. Wouldn't mind taking a peek at the image if you wouldn't mind please Marie.

If discharged dead, we should be able to find a death in 1908, but freebmd is showing nothing for Cannon and is still trying to search for just the first name. Ancestry is not returning anything like Cannon or Gullivan either.

Had a look at that workhouse register:

Manchester Workhouse Registers 1800-1911 Transcription

First Name:Cornelius
Last Name:Cannon
Date of Admission Year:1908
Date of Admission Month:Mar
Date of Admission Day:06
Locality Of Record:Manchester New Bridge Street Workhouse
Place:Manchester
County:
Age:
Birth Year: looks like 1878 but see below
From Whence Admitted: Manchester district 1
Number:
Film:M4 - 11 - 25
Date Range:1907 - 1908
Title Of Records:Creed Register
Record set:Manchester Workhouse Registers 1800-1911
Record collection:Workhouses and poor law
Category:Institutes & Organizations
Collections from:United Kingdom

With him is an Elizabeth born 1908.

On the original image his name and year of birth looks to have been something different and then rubbed out and overwritten. Whether it was someone else's details or an amendment to his own it's hard to say. I've saved the image and can send by pm if anyone wants to take a look.

In the column for discharged dead it says 7 March 1908.

will go to library and search through some of the records there, thanks everyone

There's a workhouse admission in Manchester, 1908 on family search, may be worth checking out on FMP to view the image (Cornelius Cannon, no age given)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KDGS-HM9

I haven't managed to find anything on Peter other than the 1855 marriage (and his name on daughter's marriage). He doesn't appear to be on any census, nor can I see a death (E&W) nor anything on passenger lists, unless someone else has found anything?

all the above is the family i am hunting for
elizabeth cannon/ canning nee brash is her mother.

havent found peter gullivan, just know that on 1861 census he is not with them, interesting that he is a plasterer in 1872 and not listed as deceased? so he should be on the 1871 census.


thank you all

Not sure MC, there are too many Elizabeth Cannons around, their mother, but a younger sister for Susannah and a niece:

Cornelius Cannon
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: West Derby; Lancaster
Civil Parish: Eccleston and Prescot
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image
Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 131
Piece: 2750
Folio: 15
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Cornelius Cannon 32
Elizabeth Cannon 24 (sister)
Margaret Cannon 20 (sister)
Elizabeth Cannon 9 Months (niece)

When Susannah Cannon and Peter Gullavin married 1855 he was stated as a labourer from Widnes.

When daughter Mary married William Garner on 20 May 1872 at Low House Chapel in St Helen's her father Peter Gullivan is listed as a plasterer. She lived Eccleston Street.

On both marriages one of the witnesses was an Elizabeth Cannon/Canning - could that be Susannah's mother?

On both certificates all parties made their "x" so wouldn't know if their names were spelled correctly.

(Info from certificates on Ancestry/Mundia tree).

Have you found Peter in 1861 - he's not with Susannah?

thank you every one,

still searching for cornelius after 1891 and peter (father) after 1861
cant work out how/why paul would have been born in france.--
have search france, usa, canada, uk, and ireland but not found them,