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Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:06

hi all I am looking for Charles Harvey born 1873 he married edith godsell 1899 father on cert was George (coachman) ,,,,, Charles occupation is listed as seaman but the only census I can find him on is 1901

for ref 1901


1901 England Census
about Charles Harvey




Name:
Charles Harvey

Age:
28

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1873

Relation:
Head

Spouse's Name:
Edith Harvey

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England



Civil Parish:
Portsmouth

Ecclesiastical parish:
St John

County/Island:
Hampshire

Country:
England




Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:



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Registration District:
Portsmouth

Sub-registration District:
Portsea and Landport

ED, institution, or vessel:
10

Neighbors:
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Household Schedule Number:
62

Piece:
993

Folio:
73

Page Number:
8

Household Members:


Name

Age

Charles Harvey 28
Edith Harvey 24
William C Harvey 8 Months
Frederick Godsell 16
Alfred E Godsell 13
Henry J Godsell 7





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I can find his wife in 1911 living with her brothers but no sign of Charles anywhere
can not even find which one would be his birth lol

Andrew

Andrew Report 17 Jun 2013 23:12

Maybe


Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
about Charles Harvey




Name:
Charles Harvey

Baptism Date:25 Jan 1874
Archive Provided Parish:Norbiton, St Peter
Parish as it Appears:Norbiton
Father:George Harvey
Mother:Jane Harvey
Reference Number:
3046/1/2


Andy

Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:17

yes I do jan

Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:19

just looking at that birth Andrew x

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 23:20

On the baptism that Andy posted the father George was a labourer and they lived Elm Vale.

Tracy - who were the witnesses on the marriage cert?

Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:23

yes that's them witnesses on cert are Charles Clarke and Edward godsell

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 23:28

Sorry Tracy - who's them?

Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:29

Edward is her relation don't know who Charles Clarke is but they are the witnesses on cert

Andrew

Andrew Report 17 Jun 2013 23:38

This could be a sibling for the Charles posted earlier


Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
about George Harvey
Name:George Harvey
Birth Date:1 Jun 1870
Baptism Date:4 Sep 1870
Archive Provided Parish:Kingston Vale, St John
Parish as it Appears:St John
Father:George Harvey
Mother:Jane Harvey
Reference Number:8166/1/1



which could be this family in 1871



1871 England Census
about George Harvey

Name:George Harvey
Age:10 Months
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1870
Relation:Son
Father's Name:George Harvey
Mother's Name:Jane Harvey
Gender:Male
Where born:Ham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Ham
Ecclesiastical parish:St John the Baptist
Town:Ham and Hatch
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Registration District:Kingston
Sub-registration District:Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel:26
Household Schedule Number:57
Piece:862
Folio:87
Page Number:12
Household Members:
Name
Age
George Harvey 36
Jane Harvey 26
John Harvey 8
William Harvey 5
Henry Harvey 3
George Harvey 10 Months


Andy



Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:47

hi andy looking for that family now in 1881 having no luck at min

Andrew

Andrew Report 17 Jun 2013 23:55

I can't see them either atm

Andy

Tracy

Tracy Report 17 Jun 2013 23:59

getting excited keep looking lol

Flip

Flip Report 18 Jun 2013 06:16

Presume Charles was still around, may have been at sea at time of 1911 census - another child born later in the year?

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Harvey John Godsell Portsmouth 2b 812

Flip

Flip Report 18 Jun 2013 07:59

You say he was a seaman, but on the 1901 census it shows he was in the royal navy, so there should be a service record on national archives.

There are 5 records for plain Charles (plus a couple more with additional names) 2 can be eliminated as they are found on 1901 census - 1 in Hong Kong the other in Kent, which leaves:

Charles born Portsmouth 4/6/1874
another born Bristol 1/1/1872
another, no birth place on summary, born 14/8/1874

What date did they marry, and what age did he give please? Do you have any of their children's birth certificates or baptisms to check if he ever gave a middle name?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Jun 2013 08:36

Looking at 1901 image, is that Mer, written by side of Navy?...(Merchant)

Chris :)

Flip

Flip Report 18 Jun 2013 08:47

Hi Chris, I'm not sure - it's been written afterwards against a number of the people who have stated RN. Looking at the census images in that collection there are a lot of RN who have this written on afterwards - think it could be something to do with the category of worker.

Flip

Flip Report 18 Jun 2013 09:21

Just had a look at the Charles from Chatham Kent. He has a RN record on national archives, and was with his parents on 1901 census in Chatham. The image has the work category added afterwards as well, but it says Men. This has been inserted after Royal Navy and before Stoker.

Flip

Flip Report 18 Jun 2013 09:53

Also, from the marriage certificate are either of their fathers stated "deceased" - I see Edith's father died in 1894, followed by her mother in 1900.

Tracy

Tracy Report 18 Jun 2013 09:59

hi all just comeback from work right there is no deceased listed on marriage cert for fathers his age is 27

Tracy

Tracy Report 18 Jun 2013 10:01

he married 1899 gonna have to send of for child birth to see xx