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I know what you mean flip looks like a trip to ro coming up

I'm not altogether convinced by that tree on ancestry or the change of name. The tree shows lots of info, but not backed up by any evidence - a simple trip to the RO would get a lot of the info from parish records and may relate to more than one family.

All we know is from the marriage and 1901 census - how many times have these been wrong? However, if we accept them his birth was not registered neither under Charles or Henry James - unless someone can find otherwise - PLEASE :-)

I got suckered into the ancestry tree - but I really doubt the research done, it all fits in a way, but somehow not right.

thanks chris had a quick look on ancestry on that tree that is mentioned above why the change of name lol

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Harvey William Charles Portsmouth 2b 468


Births Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Harvey David Frederick Portsmouth 2b 514


Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
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Harvey Ernest Alfred Portsmouth 2b 512


Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
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HARVEY Henry Reginald Portsmouth 2b 495


Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
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HARVEY Elsie Ellen L Portsmouth 2b 503


Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
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HARVEY Lucy Florence L Portsmouth 2b 498


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Harvey John Godsell Portsmouth 2b 812


Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Harvey Edith E G Godsell Droxford 2c 303


(adding above, not sure which Birth Cert. you want, quite a choice)

Quite a puzzle!.

Chris :)

edits (might be worth a check round in 'Search All Member Trees', under 'Search', top right of page)

hello to all helping me sorry not been online poorly child now sleeping thank god the marriage was sept 12 1899 in wotton under edge Gloucester his age is 27

Just to throw a spanner in the works, and cast some more doubt:

Charles Harvey
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1874
Archive Provided Parish: Norbiton, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: Norbiton
Father: George Harvey (labourer)
Mother: Jane Harvey
Reference Number: 3046/1/2

No dob given, it looks like they were from Elm Vale? Never heard of it.

EDIT - which is what Andrew posted in the first place!

This may be him, his younger sister appears to be with her aunt/uncle

Henry Harvey
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Male
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Penge
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: North Surrey District Schools Anerley Road Penge
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Croydon
Sub-registration District: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: North Surrey District Schools
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 825
Folio: 79
Page Number: 16

Looks likely for their deaths, but I wonder why he married as Charles?? Seems a bit odd.

All this points to that 1871 census posted earlier in the thread being the right family, obviously before Charles/Henry was born - but again there is already a Henry in the family, I thought he was at a school in 1881 but maybe he died?

The tree has their mother as Jane Woodhatch, who died 5/5/1877 at Stockwell smallpox hospital. It also has another child after Charles, Elizabeth Jane Rose born 28/5/1874, born Kingston.

(wonder if below then?)

Death
Name: HARVEY, Henry J
Registration district: [?] Droxford
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1947
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:76
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 188

Death
Name: HARVEY, Edith E A
Registration district: [?] Portsmouth
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1960
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death:84
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 419

Chris :)


Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
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GODSELL Edith Elizabeth A Alverstoke 2b 512

A public member tree on Ancestry has no documentation, but very precise on dates. It says Henry James Harvey was born 6/6/1872, Wandsworth. Married Edith 12/9/1999 and has all their children's details.

Henry James died 27/9/1947, Edith born 28/10/1876 died 28/5/1960.

However, like I say there is no documentation attached, and it is unsourced.

This looks like the relevant naval record (available to download, costs £3 odd:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6668903

Interesting link Chris, I'm sure I looked at that family earlier.

IF (a big IF) the ages are accurate, we could try to narrow down the birth quarter - what exact date was the marriage please?

Added, if my maths are correct, he would have been born between April and September 1872 - the marriage date might narrow this down to just 1 quarter.

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Godsell Edith Elizabeth A Dursley 6a 555
Harvey Charles Dursley 6a 555

1911
GODSELL, Alfred Head Single M 24 1887 Engineer In Laundry Hants Gosport
GODSELL, Henry Brother Single M 17 1894 Blind Maker Hants Gosport
HARVEY, Edith Sister Married F 34 1877 Hants Gosport
HARVEY, William Nephew M 10 1901 School Hants Portsmouth
HARVEY, David Nephew M 8 1903 School Hants Portsmouth
HARVEY, Ernest Nephew M 5 1906 School Hants Portsmouth
HARVEY, Reginald Nephew M 4 1907 School Hants Portsmouth
HARVEY, Elsie Niece F 1 1910 Hants Portsmouth
HARVEY, Lucy Niece F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Hants Portsmouth
RG number: RG14
Piece: 5516
Reference: RG14PN5516 RG78PN251 RD90 SD1 ED38 SN267
Registration District: Portsmouth
Sub District: North End and Buckland
Enumeration District: 38
Parish: Portsmouth
Address: 55 Knox Road Stamshaw Portsmouth
County: Hampshire

Chris :)


http://clubweb.interbaun.com/~jtidridge/indah42.htm

(above link from google, seems to relate?)

he married 1899 gonna have to send of for child birth to see xx

hi all just comeback from work right there is no deceased listed on marriage cert for fathers his age is 27

Also, from the marriage certificate are either of their fathers stated "deceased" - I see Edith's father died in 1894, followed by her mother in 1900.

Just had a look at the Charles from Chatham Kent. He has a RN record on national archives, and was with his parents on 1901 census in Chatham. The image has the work category added afterwards as well, but it says Men. This has been inserted after Royal Navy and before Stoker.

Hi Chris, I'm not sure - it's been written afterwards against a number of the people who have stated RN. Looking at the census images in that collection there are a lot of RN who have this written on afterwards - think it could be something to do with the category of worker.

Looking at 1901 image, is that Mer, written by side of Navy?...(Merchant)

Chris :)

You say he was a seaman, but on the 1901 census it shows he was in the royal navy, so there should be a service record on national archives.

There are 5 records for plain Charles (plus a couple more with additional names) 2 can be eliminated as they are found on 1901 census - 1 in Hong Kong the other in Kent, which leaves:

Charles born Portsmouth 4/6/1874
another born Bristol 1/1/1872
another, no birth place on summary, born 14/8/1874

What date did they marry, and what age did he give please? Do you have any of their children's birth certificates or baptisms to check if he ever gave a middle name?