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Hi I am trying to find some family details for Charles Fred Livesey and his daughter Harriet Lucy Livesey the family lived in Shanghai for many years.
Charles died there in 1945 he was in an internee camp when it was bombed
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Harriet born 1913 Shanghai was 18 years old when she married John Harrison Howard in 1931 San Jose . I would love to know if they went on to have any children. or when they died.
regards
Ian

Hello Ian, have you searched the US census on FamilySearch?

I see he was quite a bit older than her:

U.S., Consular Reports of Marriages, 1910-1949

Name: Harriet Lucy Livesey
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birth Place: Shanghai, China
Spouse's Name: John Harrison Howard
Spouse's Age: 35
Spouse's Birth Year: abt 1896
Spouse's Birth Place: San Jose, California
Marriage Date: 1 Sep 1931
Marriage Place: Church of The Sacred Heart, Shanghai, China
Consular Location: Shanghai, China
File Number: 133
Certificate in File: Yes

They didn't marry in San Jose, they married Shanghai according to this. San Jose is where he was from.

Hi no not the census

Ian - what made you pick the NY passenger lists as a source of info? Do you know that she went to NY at some point?

Hi
Just found a death for a John Harrison Howard died 1951 Shanghai wife Isabella Chow ?

Hi
I found the notes on Ancestry.com I only have access to Uk records.

Ian, are you referring to that tree on Ancestry?

I would suggest contacting that tree owner to see where they got their info from.

Hi
Its not in a family tree just down as a ships log I think

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Immigration & Travel

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Name: Charles Fred Livesey
Birth: year - location
Departure: city
Arrival: date - New York, New York
Residence: location

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Charles Fred Livesey
Arrival Date: 19 Nov 1919
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Location: Hong Kong
Birth Location Other: victoria
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: London,eng
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Airline: Minnekahda
Ship Name: Minnekahda

He was a marine engineer. Had been living in Erith, Kent.

Next of kin from where he'd departed was Mrs CH Livesey, 6 Queens Riad, Erith, Kent.

Ian, I was referring to the death of John Howard Harrison being on an Ancestry tree.

ADDED:
You can search New York arrivals between 1892 and 1924 for free on Ellis Island
http://www.ellisisland.org/

Web: International, Find A Grave Index
Name: Charles Frederick Livesey
Death Date: 19 Jan 1945
Burial Place: Pok Fu Lam, Hong Kong Island, Hong Kong

Commonwealth War Graves Commission has him as age 59 at death so that's consistent with that passenger list.

Hi thank you for your fab help with my research. Would this be his daughter Harriet Lucy


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Immigration & Traval

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Name: Lucy Livesey
Birth: year - location
Departure: city
Arrival: date - New York, New York
Residence: location

Ian, that girl was born Barnoldswick, England and was the daughter of James and Jane. Sorry.

Another record for Charles

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Charles Livesey
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 46
Port of Departure: Yokohama, Japan
Arrival Date: 4 Mar 1932
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Kobe [Shanghai] [Colombo] [Bombay] [Plymouth]
Ship Name: Chitral
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 148861

Engineer, lived in China.

Ian, how have you connected to these people? What else do you already know about them and what are you hoping to find?

Possible he had a young son die in China:

Overseas registration event: Death

Name: LIVESEY, Frederick C
Consulate: Shanghai
Country: China
Year: 1911-1915
Volume: 13
Page: 240
Age at death: 2
Record source: GRO Consular Death Indices (1849 to 1965)

I guess you already have his marriage?

Overseas registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder: Charles F Livesey married Lucy Y Becke

Name: LIVESEY, Charles F
Consulate: Shanghai
Country: China
Year: 1906-1910
Volume:
Page: 481
Spouse's last name: Not stated
Record source: GRO Consular Marriages (1849-1965)

Name: BECKE, Lucy Y
County: China
Year: 1906
Volume :
Page 481
Spouse's last name Not stated
Record source: GRO Consular Marriages (1849-1965)

Hi MarieCeleste
I could never find any parents for Charles Frederick Livesey b 1886 Hong Kong any ideas on this one I have been looking for ages

I have just tried to join Ellis Island it will not take any pass word for me to register
Ian

Ian, I never bother registering, I just go straight to the search. You don't need to subscribe.

You could buy his marriage certificate from GRO to see what details he gives for his father.