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Who was Frank Ross ?

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Pam

Pam Report 19 Jun 2013 20:25

My great grandfather was Frank Ross.
My great grandmother was Alice Mary Sawyer (Little Haseley, Oxfordshire)

Todate I have been unable to find a marriage registration for them.

Frank is on the 1881 census :

1881 England Census

Name: Frank Ross

Age: 40

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841

Relation: Patient

Gender: Male

Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Cheddar

County/Island: Somerset

Country: England

Street Address: "4 St. Michaels Home"

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status:

Occupation: Gassfitter

Registration District: Axbridge


Sub-registration District: Axbridge

ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Neighbors:

Piece: 2422

Folio: 5

Page Number: 4


and Alice :

1881 Census

Name: Alice Ross

Age: 27

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854

Relation: Head

Gender: Female

Where born: Little Haseley Hertfordshire, England
[Little Haseley, Oxfordshire, England]

Civil Parish: Paddington

County/Island: London

Country: England

Street Address: 12 Hall Place

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status:

Occupation: Charwoman

Registration District: Kensington

Sub-registration District: St. Mary, Paddington

ED, institution, or vessel: 12b

Neighbors:

Piece: 5

Folio: 104

Page Number: 20

Household Members:

Alice Ross 27
Emily Sawyer 19 (Alice's sister)
Amy Ross 3
Ada Ross 1


I have a death certificate for Frank Ross dated 1882 on which he is described as a Potman and he is described as such on my grandmother's birth certificate (1880) but my great grandmother was not the informant as Frank died in the Paddington Workhouse.

On my grandmother's marriage certificate Frank is described Plumber (deceased).

I have lots of information on Alice Mary but the 1881 census is the only information I can find on Frank Ross.

My instinct says he was not born in London but was probably born in Scotland but until I can find a marriage certificate (not really expecting to find one ) not sure how I can go back to find his parents.

Any help greatly appreciated.







ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jun 2013 21:36

In 1881 (above) Frank is a patient in St Michael's Home.

"St Michael's Home is an institution for consumptive patients who are members of the Church of England. "

http://ukga.org/england/Somerset/towns/Cheddar.html

Can I ask, how do you know this is the right Frank Ross?

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 19 Jun 2013 21:44

Well I have looked and looked and I can't find him on any census other than the one you put up.

I wonder if he was Francis Ross?

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Jun 2013 21:57

Just putting these down a s info.


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Ada Sarah Ellen Ross
Name: Ada Sarah Ellen Ross
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1881 born 22 Jan 1880.
Father's Name: Frank Ross, gasfitter of Hall Place
Mother's Name: Alice Ross
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers


Also Ada Alice baptised on the same day. Born 12 June 1878.

Mike *

Mike * Report 19 Jun 2013 22:03

Quite a few trees featuring Alice but none have a marriage for her.

Pam

Pam Report 19 Jun 2013 22:17

argyllgran,

I'm not 100% sure but he is a Gasfitter on the 1881 census and that is his occupation on my grandmother's marriage certificate.

He died of Phthisis Pulmonalis (tuberculosis of the lungs with progressive wasting of the body, consumptive condition) which seems to fit with his presence in St. Michaels Home.

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 19 Jun 2013 22:23

There's a Francis Ross on the 1871 census in Poplar, Middx. y.o.b. 1841, perhaps someone with a sub could see if this is him?
Alice Sawyer was single and a servant in 1871.
I wonder if she was his second wife, looking at the big age diference?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jun 2013 22:30

Thanks, Pam.
You wondered if he might have been Scottish.
ScotlandsPeople has no Frank Rosses born anywhere in Scotland between 1835 and 1845.
There are 2 Francis Rosses born 1841 and one in 1842, but I can't follow them conclusively through the censuses. There's one born in 1840, but it's not him, as he can be traced throughout.

On Ancestry I haven't found any Frank or Francis Rosses who are plumbers/gas-fitters/similar. Neither have you, obviously!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Jun 2013 22:35

Beverley -
Not sure if this is the same Poplar one which you saw - it's the only one I can find - he's married with children, and is a labourer from Galway.


1871 England Census about Francis Ross
Name: Francis Ross
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Ross
Gender: Male
Where born: Sulway, Ireland
Civil Parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Poplar
Sub-registration District: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 138
Piece: 581
Folio: 73
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Ross 30
Mary Ann Ross 31
Edward Ross 11
Kate Ross 7


He's still with his family in 1881 & 1891.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 19 Jun 2013 22:47

I looked at those ones too.

My man came in and wanted feeding!!

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 19 Jun 2013 23:07

This reads Ross and Frank is a Plumber***********************



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Mary Georgina Koss
Name: Mary Georgina Koss
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Jun 1882
BORN 25th May 1882****************************************
Father's Name: Frank Koss
Mother's Name: Alice Koss
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington Green St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Pam

Pam Report 20 Jun 2013 08:48

I have always suspected that there was another family, mainly due to the age differences.

The death certificate I have for Frank Ross is for April 1882 so he is a possibility but I guess I will never prove it.

Pam

Pam Report 20 Jun 2013 08:58

I can't check to see if Mary Georgina was the daughter of "my" Frank and Alice Ross as Alice died in 1904 so no 1911 census to check for number of births but Mary Georgina born 1882 died in 1882.

Pam

Pam Report 20 Jun 2013 09:06

Some documents I have give Frank as a Gasfitter or Plumber and some say Potman. Probably a Gasfitter prior to his illness and then a Potman (collector/washer of dirty glasses/pots) to earn some money when too ill to be a Plumber.

Pam

Pam Report 20 Jun 2013 10:33

The address on the baptism record for Mary Georgina Ross is the same as that given on Frank Ross's Death Certificate.

Pam

Pam Report 20 Jun 2013 12:01

Please can anybody find, on the 1851 or 1861 census, Mary Georgina Ross born 1854 in London and married 1878 St. George Hanover Square. Father's name Albert Ernest Ross, Colonel 5th Fusiliers.

Potty

Potty Report 20 Jun 2013 12:19

Her birth reg:

Name:Mary Georgina Ross

Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1854
Registration District:Kensington
Inferred County:London
Volume:1a
Page:26

Ancestry ties her up to this census (it's a school, so I haven't listed all the names):

1871 England Census
about Georgina Ross
Name:Georgina Ross
Age:16
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1855
Relation:Scholar
Where born:London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:
Islington St Luke

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Luke

County/Island:
London

Country:
England

Registration District:
Islington

Sub-registration District:
Islington West

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Jun 2013 12:20

Hi, Pam -
do you mean Clara Georgina Ross?



1861 England Census about Clara Georgina Ross
Name: Clara Georgina Ross
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Abert Ernest Ross
Mother's Name: Victoria Alescandine Ross
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Town: Aldershot
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Farnham
Sub-registration District: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 116
Piece: 430
Folio: 86
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Abert Ernest Ross 30
Victoria Alescandine Ross 29
Henrietta Mary Ross 9
Clara Georgina Ross 7
Cathleen Emily Ross 5
Florence Geraline Ross 1
Not Yet Named Ross 1 Months
Caroline Stewart 40
Lavinia Ruckstnam 23
Elizabeth Brill 25
Emily Hawkins 19

Potty

Potty Report 20 Jun 2013 12:22

There is this baptism but not in London:

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Mary Georgina Ross
Name:Mary Georgina Ross
Gender:Female
Birth Date:22 Mar 1854
Christening Date:20 Jun 1854
Christening Place:Darlaston (near Wednesbury), Staffordshire, England

Age at Christening:0
Father's Name:Albert Ernest Ross
Mother's Name:Alexandria Victoria

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Jun 2013 12:23

The family are in Scotland in 1871, but not Mary/Clara


1871 Scotland Census about Henretta Ross
Name: Henretta Ross
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Albert E Ross
Mother's Name: Alexandrina Victoria Ross
Gender: Female
Where born: Mauritius
Registration number: 578/1
Registration District: Ayr Burgh
Civil Parish: Ayr
Town: Subusbs
County: Ayrshire
Address: South Lodge
ED: 13
Household Schedule Number: 14
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_106
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert E Ross 41
Alexandrina Victoria Ross 39
Henretta Ross 18
Florence G Ross 11
Beatrice I Ross 10
Mabel L Ross 3
Jesse Frases 30
Larmen Rachetson 30
Mary Cumming 16