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A M Turner /Thomas Turner's family

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Sappho

Sappho Report 20 Jun 2013 02:51

I am having trouble tracing the death of my Great Grandmother Amy Turner.

Amy was born Amy Noble 09/04/1860 at 22 Lansdown Place. Amy married William Turner 05/05/1879.

The family are together in 1901 Census thus: (thanks to Vera)

1901
TURNER, William Head Married M 41 1860 Labourer Brick Seth
Borough VIEW
TURNER, Amy Wife Married F 40 1861
Borough VIEW
TURNER, Jemima Daughter Single F 20 1881 Paper Sorter
Borough VIEW
TURNER, Thomas Son Single M 16 1885 Labourer Brick Seth
Borough VIEW
TURNER, William Son Single M 8 1893
Borough VIEW
TURNER, Amy Daughter Single F 6 1895
Borough VIEW
Piece: 364
Folio: 33
Page: 19
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Hunter Buildings B Block, Little Hunter Street, St George The Martyr Southwark
County: London

But I cannot find her death. Anyone help, please!

For some reason The Search system has changed and I do not get along with the new system so far.

Many thanks,

Sappho

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 04:00

A Possible.

..England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Amy Turner Name: Amy Turner
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Dec 1936
Age at Death: 76
Registration District: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 46

......................
Do you know if she had a middle name?


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Amy C Turner Name: Amy C Turner
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Sep 1936
Age at Death: 76
Registration District: Stoke Newington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 257

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 04:07

Is this her before marriage.

1871 England Census
about Amy Noble Name: Amy Noble
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Noble
Mother's Name: Jane Noble
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 77
Piece: 599
Folio: 106
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John Noble 52
Jane Noble 50
Sarah Noble 26
Mary Noble 22
Peter Noble 14
Amy Noble 10
John Noble 8
Thomas Noble 6
Mark Noble 13


Sappho

Sappho Report 20 Jun 2013 04:07

Hi Susan,

Thank you - do you have anything else to add to this - can she be seen on 1911 Census. Where did you get this from? I have been searching and searching - just no luck. Well done you and thank you.

There is just one thing - I am not sure this is her until I send for certificate and they lived all their lives i n St. Olave, Southwark in the East End of London - there are many Amy Turner's as I found when getting her birth and marriage certificates.

As she was alive in 1911 (something I was unsure of) I wonder if she is on that census.

I do not have access to 1911.

Again many thanks Susan

Best wishes,

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 20 Jun 2013 04:16

Hi Susan,

Gosh you are good. No Amy Noble was the daughter of Sarah Noble, formerly Stevens and William Noble - John was his brother.

She did not have a middle name as I have her Birth and Marriage Certs. she was plain old Amy. Am,y is a family name and that certainly brings it's problems when researching.
Jane Noble who was a cousin and older was the witness at Amy's wedding.

After an initial hiss and a roar on this family line of my mother's I found that a lot of the contacts just did not think there could be more than one Amy and so any information was coming to me was incorrect to a greater degree.

The names Turner and Noble seem to be quite common.

Thank you so much once again.

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 20 Jun 2013 04:23

Just to go over a few things. Jane Noble had an elder sister Sarah Noble born 1845 who had a daughter in 1860/1861 and she called her Amy (Noble) later had siblings called Kennedy.

Hope this helps. The Nobles were a large family.

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 20 Jun 2013 04:25

Hi Susan,

Thank you - do you have anything else to add to this - can she be seen on 1911 Census. Where did you get this from? I have been searching and searching - just no luck. Well done you and thank you.

There is just one thing - I am not sure this is her until I send for certificate and they lived all their lives i n St. Olave, Southwark in the East End of London - there are many Amy Turner's as I found when getting her birth and marriage certificates.

As she was alive in 1911 (something I was unsure of) I wonder if she is on that census.

I do not have access to 1911.

Again many thanks Susan

Best wishes,

Sappho

Sappho

Sappho Report 20 Jun 2013 04:27

Opps sorry it was Jane Noble b 1852 (Amy's sister not cousin) who was a witness at the Wedding.

Sappho.

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 05:02

This is your 1901 but jemima is also kmown as
Johanna.

1901 England Census
about Jerema Turner Name: Jerema Turner
[Jemima Turner]
[Johanna Turner]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Turner
Mother's Name: Amy Turner
Gender: Female
Where born: Borough

Civil Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Southwark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Southwark
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 101
Piece: 364
Folio: 33
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
William Turner 41
Amy Turner 40
Jerema Turner 20 >>>>Joanna
Thomas Turner 16
William Turner 8
Amy Turner 6



Johanna Married.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Charles Povey
Name: Thomas Charles Povey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Johannah Turner
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Apr 1901
Parish: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Povey
Spouse Father Name: William James Turner
Register Type: Parish Register


Amy 1895 is with her Sister in 1911.

1911 England Census
about Johanah Povey

Name: Johanah Povey
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 33 Great Bland St, St Boro S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 18
Estimated Marriage Year: 1893
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Newington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 1801
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Povey 30
Johanah Povey 29
Amy Turner 15 <<<<<<Sister to wife

Still looking :-D

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 05:33

Thomas and Amy bapt's on thre same day same place.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Joanna Turner Name: Joanna Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1886
Father's Name: William Turner
Mother's Name: Amy Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Stephen, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas Turner Name: Thomas Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1886
Father's Name: William Turner
Mother's Name: Amy Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Stephen, Southwark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 05:42

A possible Death for William snr.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about William Turner Name: William Turner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Age at Death: 43
Registration District: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 60


Flip

Flip Report 20 Jun 2013 06:12

Think you may have an even bigger struggle to find her death now:

Amy Turner (widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 52
Spouse Name: George Francis Smith (labourer - bachelor)
Spouse Age: 45
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Sep 1916
Parish: Newington St Andrew
Borough: Southwark
Spouse Father Name: George Francis Smith (blacksmith)
Register Type: Parish Register

Her father William Noble (deceased bricklayer).
Both of 282 Sabard (or Jabard) street.
Witnesses Johannah Povey & Lucy Jones

I'll send the image by PM

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 06:13

I think this is Thomas 1885 with his own family in 1911.

1911 England Census
about Thomas Turner Name: Thomas Turner
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Falstaff Yard
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PLATEMAN ON HOTEL
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 1766
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Turner 27
Maud Turner 29
Rose Turner 21
Ena Emily Turner 5
Johannah Turner 2


Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 06:15


Thanks Flip

I have been searching for another possible marriage .

Good Find :-D

edit

Also proves the Joanna --- Povey marriage is coerrct so amy jnr is with her big Sis in 1911.

Flip

Flip Report 20 Jun 2013 06:20

Cheers Susan - it does mean she was still Turner in 1911, but I'm not spotting her either. Wonder if she had already moved in with Mr Smith??

Flip

Flip Report 20 Jun 2013 06:23

Bingo!

George Smith
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 278 Tabard St SE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: LABOURER GENERAL
Registration District: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration District: Newington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 1798
Household Members: Name Age
George Smith 41
Amy Smith 43

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 06:28



Nice find ;-)

Great minds work alike..... I always say anyway :-D

Now to find a death Reg for her :-|

Flip

Flip Report 20 Jun 2013 06:30

That may not be so easy - look at the differences in ages on that census, marriage and her actual dob, wonder if Mr smith actually knew how old she really was?

Susan

Susan Report 20 Jun 2013 06:45

This one looks like it will fit ./ if her true age is know at Death that is

Deaths Jun 1933 (>99%)
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Smith Amy 74 Southwark 1d 52

Flip

Flip Report 20 Jun 2013 06:47

Could be, I've found her and George on the ERs still at 282 Tabard St (Long Lane) in 1919. Then in 1921 Amy is alone, still at same address in 1924 but no George.